Posted on 11/11/2004 3:43:19 PM PST by datura
Turkey has already gone to war with another NATO country in the past, namely Greece!
"I don't know. Who has a stronger and better military, Turkey or Europe?"
- Hmmmmm. You may be on to something here. Do you suppose the Iraq invasion is just a cover story for Turkey's real intention, which is to strike west. They could be in Vienna in two days and on the channel coast in five.
5.56mm
The oil fields in Kirkuk are worth a lot more than the three billion we provide Turkey a year.
The fact is the USA is on very shaky ground in the middle east. We have a small force on the ground with a huge area to occupy. Turkey has a vital interest in preventing the Kurds from establishing a state, since there are lots of Kurds in Turkey that would secede in a heart beat to join a Kurdistan. Also Turkey has been moving away from a secular state towards a populist Islamic state. Could be, Turkey thinks it could win, regain it lost Ottoman glory and become the Islamic super state. Stranger things have happened, could be UE (France, Germany) see an opportunity to knock the USA down a peg or too and gain influence with the new Islamic super state. All that needs to happen is too defeat the USA forces on the ground while preventing a general war. Should the UE get the UK on board (hard to imagine that) then our supply lines would just to too damn long.
I am just an arm chair general, but I can see the Turks and maybe some Euro's giving this scenario some serious consideration. (Might even have been the plan should Kerry have won). If the game should begin, the out come will depend on the US public's willingness to fight a general war in the middle east. A war that would mean a full mobilization and a draft. Turkey could very well be willing to take the risk. The reward is huge and the risk is 50/50.
I remember reading an article even before the invasion that Turkey will take advantage of a weak Iraq to reclaim land. Not sure if this is what they are talking about, but since they are asking our permission, it may be more than what we know.
Turkey is a muslim nation.
The Turks scapegoat America following (rightfully) Clinton's shafting them after GW1 according to Bush I's promises.
We all know that Turkey is a Muhammadan powder keg.
The EU is using Turkey like one of Saddam Hussein's b*tches...
The EU is not a military alliance. Nato is, Turkey is a member of NATO, France is not!
Might want to check out the following VERY INFORMATIVE NRO link:
http://nationalreview.com/rubin/rubin200408051220.asp
I didn't know we gave them three billion per year but that just makes it worse.
Could get real interesting, now that China and Iran are becoming good buddies.
Good Analysis, but you should discard, in my opinion, any role for Europe. This guys are not the heirs of the Templat Knights, napoleon, El cid, Bismarck... europe is no longer a warfighter.
Perhaps Mr. Erdogan should flip on over to Fox or CNN and watch the fun from Fallujah. You don't want to be on the receiving end when the US military is "spreadin' a little love".
We would have no other option but to fight. If we lose to a Muslim country like Turkey with Germany and France's prodding and planning. We are out of the game. It's a huge gamble, your right. But what would you be willing to risk to become the worlds only super power?
Turkey, IMO, should be considered a write-off...I'm convinced we will discover that the Turks were far more than a relief-valve for illegal Iraqi Oil for Cash bribes and the like, in total cahoots with the EU: betting on the downside of America's liberation of Iraq and hedging their entry into the EU in the balance.
With a backdrop of Muhammadan nationalism, Kurdish Communist terrorism and Kurdish nationalism in the Turkish Muhammadan mindset...
Should be interesting to see who is sleeping / will sleep with whom and how it turns out.
Small price to pay for Europe. They are socialist already and Muslims are over running Europe as we speak.
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