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Turkey Warns US It Plans To Invade Northern Iraq Shortly After Elections
Geostrategy-Direct.com (Subscription Site) ^ | 11 Nov 04 | Geostrategy-Direct.com

Posted on 11/11/2004 3:43:19 PM PST by datura

FOCUS ON TURKEY

Turkey warns U.S. it plans to invade northern Iraq shortly after elections


ANKARA — Turkey's military has begun preparing for what officials warned could result in a major invasion of neighboring Iraq.

Officials said the Turkish General Staff has drafted plans for an invasion by at least 20,000 troops into northern Iraq in early 2005. They said the General Staff has urged approval from the government of Prime Minister Recep Erdogan and discussed the proposed invasion with the United States.

"The current phase is to show the United States that we're serious," a Turkish government source said. "After the Iraqi elections in January, the Turkish military will be ready to move."

The military has called for a massive operation in northern Iraq to prevent Kurdish militias from controlling the area. The General Staff has been particularly alarmed by the reported Kurdish effort to drive out ethnic Turks from Kirkuk, the oil capital of northern Iraq and long claimed by Ankara.

Under the Turkish plan, the military would deploy at least 20,000 Turkish troops in an enclave south of the Iraqi-Turkish border. The force would focus on eliminating the Kurdish Workers Party and ensure the return of Turkmens to Kirkuk.

About 3,000 PKK fighters are said to be based in northern Iraq and have been sending insurgents and weaponry for attacks inside neighboring Turkey.

The United States has refused numerous Turkish appeals to eliminate the PKK strongholds.

On Oct. 14 Erdogan and his cabinet reviewed the General Staff's plan. That meeting, attended by Chief of Staff Gen. Hilmi Ozkok and Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul, discussed the rapid deployment of up to 40,000 troops in northern Iraq.

A scaled-down version of the military plan was discussed in the national security council on Oct. 27. The officials said that over the last week some units have already been deployed along the Iraqi-Turkish border.

Officials said the General Staff has sought to prepare two army divisions to cross the Iraqi border within 18 hours of any approval of the operation.

The first goal of the ground operation, supported by fighter-jets and attack helicopters, would be to destroy PKK strongholds in the Kandil mountains in northern Iraq.

The General Staff has warned the cabinet that Ankara could no longer ignore the Kurdish threat. Officials said the military has determined that Kurds from Iran and Syria have bolstered support for the PKK.

Iranian and Syrian Kurds, they said, have participated in PKK attacks against police and military targets in southeastern Turkey over the last week.

Officials said the General Staff has sought to obtain U.S. approval for the operation in northern Iraq. But Washington has not provided implicit approval.

The Erdogan government has sought to delay any Turkish military operation until after the European Union summit on Dec. 17. The government intends to spare the EU any pretext to delay a date for accession.

Officials said the Peshmerga are digging tunnels and establishing outposts outside Dahouk, near the Turkish border.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blackhelicopters; geopolitics; hoax; iraq; kurds; southwestasia; tinfoil; turkey
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To: VOA
"Unlike most other country, it's the military officer corps (of Turkey) that keeps the country balanced."

True. Their officer corps is what has kept them from sliding back into an Islamic state. I wonder if the Kurds have been causing problems in Turkey again. If they have they are being very stupid. As strong as they are in N Iraq all they need to do is wait for the election and they have it made.

They would be legally a part of a country with rights and protection. If Kurds have been causing problems or allowing others to do it from their territory, it is very stupid.

Is that whole region just completely stupid? Is it a middle eastern stupidity gene?
101 posted on 11/11/2004 5:42:46 PM PST by JSteff
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To: datura
Gee,
And here we are with all those nukes we havn't used since 1945.

What to do, what to do?

102 posted on 11/11/2004 5:44:39 PM PST by norton (some times shades of gray can get you killed)
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To: JSteff
Is that whole region just completely stupid? Is it a middle eastern stupidity gene?

No, the source is Bill Gertz's site, and Bill Gertz is one of the biggest purveyors of military/intelligence Bovine Excrement on the internet.

103 posted on 11/11/2004 5:46:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: not2worry
"The Turks better take a good look at Fullujah."

I would not go in that direction. Turkey, though not near the capabilities of us, it is not a country we want to tangle with right now. I really think that they know that too.

They are there with their 10,000,000 man army and we (135k troops in the region) are tightly engaged in an insurgent war. They may be trying to get in our pockets again but that is a different type of problem to be dealt with by politicians.
104 posted on 11/11/2004 5:54:05 PM PST by JSteff
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To: datura
This is an extreme complication of matters in Iraq. The action Turkey intends to take will bring Turkish forces into direct military contact with US forces in the area, with their target being the Peshmerga - our allies in Northern Iraq.

The Peshmerga have been sending weapons into Turkey as of late

If they are the target, why are they sending them weapons?

105 posted on 11/11/2004 5:58:54 PM PST by Krodg
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To: JSteff

I think this is overblown. Military strategist regularly make plans for the wildest scenarios. There is no way turkey can win against the Iraqui Kurds, they have the home field advantage and the US military at their side.


106 posted on 11/11/2004 6:00:42 PM PST by misusu21
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To: datura

No way. ....the Turks know better.


107 posted on 11/11/2004 6:00:52 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Strategerist

Its not stupid. Its the oil.


108 posted on 11/11/2004 6:01:21 PM PST by misusu21
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To: CWOJackson

We cannot allow Turkey to do this! Surely we would use force if need be to stop them. Just what our troops need....IYIYIYIYI


109 posted on 11/11/2004 6:03:10 PM PST by Chena (George W. Bush understands what must be done...)
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To: Henchman

The Kurds are fighting with us in Fallugah(spl.) I trust them over the turks who *ucked up our plan to come in from the North.


110 posted on 11/11/2004 6:03:22 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: datura
Well, maybe the Turks will do something about the Kurds, but invade Iraq? Engage US Forces? That would be very bad and lead to a general war in the middle east and maybe the Balkans too.

One thing is become clearer by the day, Iraq ain't gonna last as Iraq. Too many factions, tribes and divided loyalties. Maybe a good war, some serious rearranging of the map is what the middle east needs. The Turks invading Iraq would certainly get the ball rolling. Might not work out well for the USA, since we not have alot of combat troops there and the supply lines are real long. Nearest dependable ally is UK, not a good situation.

111 posted on 11/11/2004 6:03:54 PM PST by jpsb (MAN)
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To: Chena

We won't. America has a long tradition of stuffing and roasting turkey.


112 posted on 11/11/2004 6:04:06 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Henchman
The thought of the Turks attacking US, in our protectorate, is absurd.

Agreed. They can kiss their entry into the EU goodbye if the did, and that would be the least of their worries.

113 posted on 11/11/2004 6:04:33 PM PST by expatpat
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To: jpsb
The same thing I was thinking.

Every country fights. It will be the HOLY war we've been waiting for.

114 posted on 11/11/2004 6:06:09 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: CWOJackson

LOL! Truth in humor....love it!


115 posted on 11/11/2004 6:07:58 PM PST by Chena (George W. Bush understands what must be done...)
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To: All

How close is Iran to a nuclear weapon?


116 posted on 11/11/2004 6:08:57 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Chena

To be honest, I think if the Turks did this it would be a uniting influence on Iraq, bringing the Kurds and mainline Iraqi's together in a common cause. Assisted by their American allies of course.


117 posted on 11/11/2004 6:11:21 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: datura

Deep fried turkey...yummmmmm.


118 posted on 11/11/2004 6:11:58 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Indie
"We need to tell Turkey "Invade and you will be at war with the US"

They know that. They will only go if given tacit approval by us. There are several benefits of having them saddled with the responsibility of Northern Iraq.

I am not standing up for them but IF the Kurds in norther Iraq have been sending terrorists and weapons for terrorists across the Turkey/Iraq border that is somewhat our responsibility.

If we are there and want others to stay out we have some of the responsibility to prevent cross border problems from Iraq's side. We have not been too good with Iraq's border controls (Syria?, Iran?). If we had been there would not be the "thousands" of "foreign fighters" would not be there... and probably fewer weapons to use against us.

Turkey should be engaged in talking with us about this problem. This needs to be worked out by politicians who are or are not giving our troops the supplies and man power. It does not need to become a tactical problem in that area.

Hopefully clear heads will prevail.
119 posted on 11/11/2004 6:12:16 PM PST by JSteff
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To: pbrown

The Turks are mad. They cant win against the Kurds. We could just stand away and supply the Kurdish Holy Warrios like we did in afghanistan. I think this is just operational planning and some saber rattling nothing serious. But Turkey is a serious military countrie, only those in Old Europe.


120 posted on 11/11/2004 6:12:31 PM PST by misusu21
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