Posted on 11/11/2004 8:04:52 AM PST by FairOpinion
Some safety and privacy experts are reacting with apprehension, others with all out condemnation over a recent ruling by the National Transportation Safety Board to require electronic data recorders or "black boxes" in all new cars manufactured in the United States.
"I take offense that this personal property of individuals is now being designed by the federal government," said Jim Harper, privacy attorney and editor of Privacilla.org.
EDRs are certainly not new. Information gathered on black boxes — typically everything from speed, brake pressure, seat belt use and air bag deployment — has already been used in determining guilt in criminal and civil cases across the country.
Privacy experts warn that once cars are outfitted for the most limited data recording, the government will find a way to argue it’s for drivers’ "own good" to collect more. They point to a push in recent years to install GPS in all cars so that emergency officials can easily find incapacitated accident victims.
"When you are telling someone it is for their own good, then it should be their own choice, they should be able to say ‘no,’" said professor Yale Kamisar of the University of Michigan Law School. "None of these things work out the way they are supposed to. Why should we believe all of these assurances when they haven’t been honored in the past?"
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Don't forget adultery. Don't want their cars to be tracked to that old motel :)
If you don't have anything to hid then why are you complaining?
"Privacy concerns are invariably raised by those who have something to hide "
You are totally wrong. Privacy concerns are raised by those who know where it leads: total government control of people's lives.
Sorry! I deal with privacy claims on an almost daily basis. Invariably something foul is being concealed; i.e. The attempt to obtain an unmerited financial windfall, perjury, income inflation etc. It is costing Americans billions.
Where were you when I was getting flamed so badly yesterday?? LOL
"I will only drive cars (trucks) that are over 25 years old. They are rebuilt like new, low personal property taxes, no emmisions test"
Who rebuilds them--you? What state are you in? I have not heard of "personal property taxes" on cars. I'm in PA.
I will say that, technologically, today's cars are leagues ahead of cars even ten years old. As far as getting from point A to Point B, any car will do that, of course. I'm talking about features, capabilities, and safety, mostly.
"I deal with privacy claims on an almost daily basis."
I didn't say that some people may not go to the other extreme, and abuse it, and I don't agree with that.
But the government monitoring what people do, as a matter of course, is an invasion of privacy.
Response: I did not see the thread.
Comment: In fact I have developed a test; The greater the frequency and intensity of claims of-"My Right To Privacy"- the deeper I dig. What a fraud! Indeed,if I remember correctly, the entire privacy mess started with an attorney whose father was judge convicted of bribery.
Nothing like the voice of experience.
If you read through all the posts, I'm one of those people who doesn't care if my car is potentially being watched, I'm not doing anything interesting. I think alot of criminals would be caught with this technology and since I have 5 kids to protect, I'll take all the help I can get.
My opinion has been pretty unpopular.
I'm with you. I had five-with one left in the nest. I have nothing to hide and am not concerned. In fact such an onboard vehicle computer will make my job easier. In fact we just pulled our vehicles onboard computer and it supports our theory. The other S.O.B. and his corrupt attorney are claiming two impacts. Our machine which does not lie, and has no motive, shows but ONE.
I think attorneys should be disbarred for that garbage. If they are proven to be telling outright lies, they are out of there. The courts wouldn't be so busy if everybody could be caught in their lies.
I'm noticing that the people of a different opinion from yours have stopped posting. Interesting.
People already have ample protection from government intrusion. That protection being the "search and seizure" provisions of The Constitution. Well I must go now. Curiously, I am working on a matter where the individual is concealing his pre-accident health care. Fun! Fun! Fun!
May be the lack of an opponent since all the dims have self destructed.:)
I'm not doing anything sinister. It is simply none of the government's business to know where I am, what I'm doing, or even how fast I get there.
I'll leave the 4th out of the discussion for the moment, but the 10th Amendment says this: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The federal government will have this info, not your local police, who are the most likely group to protect your children (after you of course). By the time it filters down to local agencies, the criminals may very well have it too.
Try stealing some rental cars as well as some of the cars sold through buy here-pay here plans. No pay, the car gets turned off remotely.
Why should I have to pay to make your job easier?
Our machine which does not lie
That is your interpretation, I'm sure they will have an "expert" that says just the opposite.
I don't know, SouthTex. If the life of one child was saved as a result of a car tracking device, I'd be more than happy to make the sacrifice.
Do you think we've beat this dead horse long enough? :)
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