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Handicapping '08
08 Nov 04 | Fidelio

Posted on 11/08/2004 1:44:46 PM PST by fidelio

I know we have four more years of The Man in The White House, but I am curious as to what other Freepers think of possible 2008 candidates.

Here is my potential staring grid:

Rudy Giulliani (NY)
Sec. Colin Powell (NY)
Sen. Bill Frist (TN)
Gov. Jeb Bush (FL)
Sen. John McCain (AZ)
Gov. Mike Huckabee (AR)
Gov. Mitt Romney (MA)

In my opinion, Giulliani may be the force here. Although he will need someone to balance out the ticket and appeal to the base. My thinking would be Huckabee, a former Baptist minister who has dumped 110 pounds in a year and is also a "Man from Hope."

Thoughts?


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: Florida; US: Massachusetts; US: Mississippi; US: Tennessee; US: Texas; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; president; whitehouse
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To: TheBigB
Really?
121 posted on 11/08/2004 3:10:30 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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To: fidelio
Rudy could do it, Yeah he might chase off some ECs but let's not forget he will win NY, NJ, CT, PA (That's 74 EVs we didn't win and a Rat will have a hard time winning without) not to mention the many moderates in other states that would go for him which would more than offset any loss of EC votes.

Huckabee?? Forget it! He is a freakin' idiot and a bigot. You think W. got a hard time because of his religion, Just let this dummy get the nomination.

In Ark. all a criminal has to do is declare "I'm a Christian" and good ole' Mikey lets them go. And of course right after these criminals dupe him, They go right back to committing crimes. Not the stable person we want in the Whitehouse

You were also right to leave Pataki off the list. Thankfully No Chance there

122 posted on 11/08/2004 3:11:31 PM PST by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: TonyWpi

JC Watts - If Hitlary puts Barack Osama on the ticket, look for Repubs to counter with Rice or Watts. Watts would be excellent candidate even on top of the ticket.


I'd vote for Watts... But Oklahoma doesn't eactly play to our weakness...


123 posted on 11/08/2004 3:18:19 PM PST by The Hollywood Conservative (I can't even make a tagline because I'm a GIANT IDIOT!!!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Owens/Rice in 2008.

Rice, besides being unflappable and a world class classical pianist and a sports freak, take this Hillderbeast:

National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001. In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University's Provost, during which she was institution's chief budget and academic office

the As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C."

Hillary Who?

124 posted on 11/08/2004 3:19:05 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: The Hollywood Conservative
Funny... Ive always thought the same thing about Pat Buchannon.

Could be right there!

Tho I think with Pat, ego/self importance had a lot to do with it...dare I say, "self righteousness?"

125 posted on 11/08/2004 3:22:27 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: fidelio

I think Pataki will be on the ticket. Bush - Pataki would be a great ticket. Pataki would give us NJ, Penn and NY. Bush would give us Florida.

John


126 posted on 11/08/2004 3:26:39 PM PST by John_7Diamonds
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Thune's been in congress since 1996 and has all the right postions on issues (with a few minor exceptions). Too much time in the Senate... well, you see what that does to a candidate.
127 posted on 11/08/2004 3:26:58 PM PST by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: maine-iac7
I think he is deep throat... but that's another thread altogether...
128 posted on 11/08/2004 3:30:24 PM PST by The Hollywood Conservative (I can't even make a tagline because I'm a GIANT IDIOT!!!)
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To: protest1
I had a friend who is a mormon (moved away now). So I have first hand experience of it. She did not deny any of my criticisms she just ignored them

So because she choose not to spit into the wind - she's obviously what you accuse her of?

You have first hand experience because you "had a friend who is Mormon'

LOL

Ive lived all over the states, know 100's of Mormons, know their doctrine - which is "Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge."

Thank God, (Our Heavenly Father), not you -

Peace

129 posted on 11/08/2004 3:31:04 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: fat city

Thune looks great... but I doubt we will see a President from South Dakota.


130 posted on 11/08/2004 3:31:16 PM PST by The Hollywood Conservative (I can't even make a tagline because I'm a GIANT IDIOT!!!)
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To: protest1
1. How did this become a debate about Mormonism.

and

2. Why should the rest of us care what Mormons believe or don't believe?
131 posted on 11/08/2004 3:36:26 PM PST by The Hollywood Conservative (I can't even make a tagline because I'm a GIANT IDIOT!!!)
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To: polyester~monkey
McCain's not a lib. He's a nut. The only reason the press loves him is because he says bad things about Republicans. For example, they loved him against Bush in 2000, but if he ever actually got the nomination, they'd turn on him quicker than you can say Howard Dean. Also, McCain's health isn't that great.

Here's my handicapping:

1. Traditional wisdom is that pubbies will not win with a pro-abortion candidate. That X's Powell and Guliani. However, consider this with Guliani. Guliani would lose a huge block of southern voters, but who would they turn to? Hillary? He could take New York, and unless the Rats tried an inside fake by going conservative southern candidate, he'd still own the south, although he might lose Louisiana and some of the midwest, like Missouri. Edwards couldn't win anything in the south. If the Pubbies took NY, the Rats would be in dire straits. Do the Pubbies want to risk a candidate that about a third of their voters might stay home? Also, could Guliani survive the southern sweep in the primaries?

2. The candidate must have been through the rigors of a campaign as a candidate. That X's Condi and Powell.

3. Senators usually make bad candidates. The last one that won was JFK, and he had to count on the Daley political machine to deliver that. LBJ was VP and ran as incumbent.

4. Look to governors. The only one I know much about is Jeb Bush. I think he'd be a good candidate, but he's said no. He could change his mind. Added bonus, ping, ping, ping. It would make the liberals absolutely nuts.

5. Other governors are possible, but I don't know enough about who's available and who's thinking about it. Texas delivers so many Presidents because we have such a huge state with so many ethnic groups that the Texas race is a pretty good vetting process. Also, the large number of virtually guaranteed electoral votes helps. Unfortunately, Rick Perry is not a viable candidate. No spine.

132 posted on 11/08/2004 3:37:20 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Four more years)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
'Must say, I never really knew that much about Allen - but from what you all are saying and what I caught up on on line - he sure looks a great bet to go against Hillderbeast.

The only reason she still looks good to anyone is because she stays clear of interviews and the like - she's kinda like Tahraysah - let her out in public and the real screeching, witching woman comes out - How would they keep that under raps for the length of a campaign...

133 posted on 11/08/2004 3:40:46 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: The Hollywood Conservative
"Thune looks great... but I doubt we will see a President from South Dakota."

You may be right unless he gets some high profile legislation through (not likely for a freshman senator) and I don't think a southern vp candidate would help him much. But he looks damn good on paper.

134 posted on 11/08/2004 3:46:59 PM PST by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: TonyWpi
Watts. Watts would be excellent candidate even on top of the ticket.

i really like Watts - but would he be tough enough for the long gruel of campaign?

He was treated REALLY bad by the black caucus in D.C....and he bowed out. Not that I can blame him!.

But I wonder if he couldn't be better used in some other position? I'd love to see him host a segment on FOX news or some other high profile slot...He has such a great head on his shoulders

135 posted on 11/08/2004 3:48:01 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Trust me Hillary will be cold and calculating and totally without emotion in this run

LOL - in other words, she will be herself...

I think you're totally right about a black woman would have to go as VP first - and Condi would be perfect - 8 years as VP then to the top of the ticket

136 posted on 11/08/2004 3:50:59 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: fidelio
Donald Rumsfeld.. Condi Rice as VeeP...
As the Hildabeast moves faux right for four years..(and she WILL)
About the only big name that could handle the propaganda well and the MSM and the ditz vote, is the Donald... Powell and Giuliani and Mclaim give me the heeby jeebies.. One of them runs and I would pray the Hildabeast wins.. at least then pubbies would get the bitch slap they would deserve for running such lame candidates and in 2012 the offering could be realistic.. and open for business again,,,
137 posted on 11/08/2004 3:51:23 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: The Hollywood Conservative

Wow! interesting!


138 posted on 11/08/2004 3:54:50 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: fat city
Plus, South Dakotas three REPUBLICAN electoral votes are just not enough to insure victory.

The thought is that the VEEP could bring in his Electoral Votes, but I honestly don't think this model holds up any more. I can't think of the last time a VEEP made ANY difference in the EC, or where they delivered a state that traditionally goes to the opposition. Edwards didn't win his... Bentson didn't win his in Texas... Ferraro didn't even deliver New York for Mondale.
140 posted on 11/08/2004 3:56:38 PM PST by The Hollywood Conservative (I can't even make a tagline because I'm a GIANT IDIOT!!!)
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