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Pro-choicers face reality of ultrasound pix
NY Daily News ^ | Nov. 7, 2004 | Zev Chafets

Posted on 11/07/2004 5:05:16 AM PST by conservativecorner

A few weeks ago, I went to lunch at a diner in Mount Vernon with Rick Marino, a moral philosopher disguised as a home renovation contractor. The subject turned to pregnancy and ultrasound. A decade ago, when I was having my last crop of kids, the pictures came out fuzzy. The doctor would point - "These are the fingers" or "There is the head" - and I'd nod. In truth, I couldn't make much of the blurry images.

Today's ultrasound photos come in 3-D and color. At 18 weeks you can easily discern fingers and facial features. At seven months, you have a fully recognizable human baby. It's so clear that even a man can see it.

For a couple of hundred bucks a pregnant woman can go to the mall nowadays and have a picture taken of her baby. Or even a video with a musical soundtrack.

Rick and I were marveling over this when we were interrupted by the waitress. "You guys talking about ultrasounds?" she asked. At first I missed the edge in her voice.

"Amazing, aren't they?" I asked.

"They're going to be used against women," the waitress snapped. She was obviously ready to sacrifice a tip to make a point.

She was right, of course. Ultrasound images are already changing the perception of abortion. Once, the idea of fetal humanity was a matter of religious conviction. Now, it is an observable fact. If you don't believe me, go to Google Images on the Internet and type in: Ultrasound, 30 weeks.

The implications are both political and philosophical.

In the new Bush administration, abortion is going to become the hottest of hot buttons. The President will probably appoint three or four Supreme Court justices. At the very least, a Bush-leaning court would probably reverse previous rulings that outlaw a federal ban on third-term abortion. Ultimately, Roe vs. Wade itself may be in danger.

Obviously this is a crisis for the abortion-rights movement. It is also a problem for the Democrats. Most Americans are already queasy about third-term abortions. As ultrasound imagery improves, abortion-righters may find themselves without significant support in their own party.

Dogmatic orthodoxy on abortion is also a philosophical problem for the left. In the great moral debates of our time, they have rested their case on science, not blind belief. Lately they have taken to calling themselves "reality-based," in somewhat sneering contrast to presumably simpleminded "faith-based" conservatives. The problem is, this time they are on the wrong side of science.

It is true that millions of opponents of abortion arrived at their position without the need for photographic evidence. They have always believed that human life begins at conception. But there are million of others, neither reactionary nor religious, who have now concluded - or are in the process of concluding - that at some point, before birth, fetuses become babies, deserving of protection.

Finding that point will be the crux of the coming debate. If the abortion-rights movement wants the support of the middle-aged, socially liberal guys in the diners of America, it had better find a more convincing tone than anger - and an argument that doesn't require us to deny, on doctrinal grounds, the evidence of our own eyes.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; ultrasound
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1 posted on 11/07/2004 5:05:16 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Improved ultrasound pictures are not really a challenge for the abortion rights folks. They like to kill babies ~ nothing more to it.


2 posted on 11/07/2004 5:07:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: conservativecorner
The photos are here.
3 posted on 11/07/2004 5:07:58 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: muawiyah
Improved ultrasound pictures are not really a challenge for the abortion rights folks. They like to kill babies ~ nothing more to it.

Sad but true. Why else would they champion the cause of women who kill babies *after* they are born?

4 posted on 11/07/2004 5:09:01 AM PST by John Thornton
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To: conservativecorner
Here's a better page of the pics.
5 posted on 11/07/2004 5:09:41 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Pro-choicers don't want to know the truth. They can't handle the truth.


6 posted on 11/07/2004 5:10:51 AM PST by airborne (Death Before Dishonor)
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To: muawiyah

It's kind of frightening that their desire to abort babies is so strong that they're willing to ignore or sidestep categorical proof that what they seek to destroy is a baby, not a "fetus".


7 posted on 11/07/2004 5:11:23 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular vote victory in history!)
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To: airborne

Actually, the pro-abortion people can handle the truth quite well. They enjoy killng babies. The problem is the rest of us have not come to terms with the truth about the pro-abortionists, else we would have rid ourselves of them long ago.


8 posted on 11/07/2004 5:12:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: conservativecorner

http://www.gehealthcare.com/rad/us/4d/virtual.html

See it here!


9 posted on 11/07/2004 5:15:54 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: muawiyah
They are not the ones who will look at abortion differently concerning ultrasound. It's all the folks in the Red States who will be even more disturbed after seeing pics like this. There is already a shift in sentiment regarding abortion, and these pics and others may speed that sentiment to the reality of the fact that we are killing millions of children every yr. including the barbaric partial birth abortion. Partial birth reminds me very much of the brutality used by the terrorists against the hostages they take. The difference is of course the fact that we do this barbaric procedure in the name of medicine when in fact it's just a jihad on the unborn.
10 posted on 11/07/2004 5:17:30 AM PST by conservativecorner
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11 posted on 11/07/2004 5:17:45 AM PST by BushCountry (http://www.cafepress.com/bushcountry2004 <-- Want to annoy a liberal?)
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'Abortion rights' is a concept that can only exist when the whole thing is kept out of sight.
12 posted on 11/07/2004 5:20:01 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: conservativecorner
Pro-choicers face reality of ultrasound pix

Pro-choicers facing reality is oxymoronic. The entire basis of their belief system is the adamant denial of obvious reality. They must deny fact to live in their fantasy world.

13 posted on 11/07/2004 5:21:02 AM PST by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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Do you know of any good pages that graphically describe the "partial birth abortion" process?
It's time that people see what Kerry and others are defending.


14 posted on 11/07/2004 5:22:56 AM PST by discipler
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To: conservativecorner
If you don't believe me, go to Google Images on the Internet and type in: Ultrasound, 30 weeks.

That's a weak example. Go to the nearest Neonatal ICU and see them in person. My twins were born at 28 weeks. We know children born as early as 23 1/2 (and he's doing fine, thank you). To us a 30-week baby would have been a relief.

If the public could see how 'viable' such children truly are, their willingness toward abortion would drop significantly.

15 posted on 11/07/2004 5:24:47 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: conservativecorner
But there are million of others, neither reactionary nor religious, who have now concluded - or are in the process of concluding - that at some point, before birth, fetuses become babies, deserving of protection.

The sad part is, many of these same people are willing to let the Supreme Court dictate when that "point" occurs. As an attorney, I can tell you that no one is less qualified to make such judgments than a bunch of lawyers and judges.

17 posted on 11/07/2004 5:27:01 AM PST by CaptainVictory
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921369/posts
Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND)
Citizen magazine ^ | June 2003 | Karla Dial
This is the Stealth Bomber that is going to zoom in under the pro-death crowd's radar and nuke them... once a woman sees what is really in her womb, it ceases to be a "tissue mass" and becomes... a baby.
 Her baby.
 

18 posted on 11/07/2004 5:27:27 AM PST by backhoe ("We met at Dawn- and destiny Prevailed...")
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To: muawiyah
The pro-abortion people have realized that this technology is going to be against them. That's why they're panic and try to outlaw 'unnecessary' Ultrasound, citing bogus research such as ultrasound will be dangerous for the baby.
19 posted on 11/07/2004 5:30:28 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Thank you!!!)
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To: John Thornton
Why else would they champion the cause of women who kill babies *after* they are born?

As though there is something magical that happens during parturition (other than the emotions of those in the delivery room).

20 posted on 11/07/2004 5:42:40 AM PST by beavus
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