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To protect America, we must save the Democrats.
Ron/GA

Posted on 11/06/2004 3:35:24 PM PST by Ron/GA

Our American system demands a viable two party system, balanced in their opposition by their loyalty to the principle that the good of the Country comes before the good of the Party. The disturbing reality is that the Democratic Party has been hijacked and is now controlled by elements that put their personal ambitions and interests before the good of their Party and America. I am forced to conclude that an intervention is required. We have to save the Democratic Party.

I admit there is great pleasure in watching them implode and pay for the damage that they have done to this country. I cringed with every lie, wild accusation and distortion that they have thrown out over the last 2 years. My gut reaction is to let 'em burn.

But the reality is they are still out there and they are dangerous. This was brought home by the immediate attacks that Nancy Pelosi and others of her ilk launched the day after the election. As I watched, I realized they are beginning now - tearing down the opposition for the next election cycle. It will not stop. It is the standard operating procedure of the current leadership of the Democratic Party.

I cannot bear the thought of another four years like the last two. Their lies and attacks will discourage our people, confuse our friends and embolden our enemies. They must be removed.

Terry McAuliffe has stated that he will resign in February of next year. The rumor is that Harold Ickes, Hillary Clinton's lead operative, is being positioned to assume the position as Chairman of the DNC. For her to succeed in her ruthless quest for power, she must retain control of the leadership of the party. Ickes, as head of the DNC, will give her that control.

By accomplishing this, she will have the platform, the infrastructure and the financial resources to divide and to wound this country deeply; to tear down and minimize anything good that might be accomplished over the next four years. She, through Ickes, will repeat the Democratic strategy of the last two years. It is the only way that she can win. This must be stopped.

I only know one Democrat on the national stage that has shown that he has loves his party and his country enough to stand up and say "NO" to the cabal that has taken over his party; who has the courage, integrity and wisdom to take on this task. That man is Zell Miller.

He knows where the Democratic Party came from, he knows what it is now and he knows who the players are that pull the strings from the shadows. I believe that he has the vision, the credibility and the guts to take it back from the elite cabal that has seized it and restore it to what it should be. Simply put, we need to form a movement to "Draft Zell".

As much as I believe that Zell is ready to retire and enjoy the time he has left, I also believe that deep down he has a burning desire to save the Democratic Party from the current leadership. He knows the danger that they pose to America and her future.

By building a team of moderate Democrats, many of whom have receded over the years like Sam Nunn and Joe Lieberman, I believe that he can quickly succeed in wresting control from the "Clintonista's". There is a “silent majority” of Democrats that would support this effort, who are ashamed and embarrassed by the actions of their leadership.

I further believe that if it weren’t for the war in Iraq and the tremendous collusion on the part of main stream media to destroy George Bush by distortion and outright lies, John Kerry would have had the most humiliating loss in history.

Few people voted for John Kerry, they voted against George Bush. They voted against the "wrong war", vaccine shortages, drug prices, immigration, social security changes and a host of other issues that the DNC and 527's deceived them on. Their leadership has been deceiving them for 13 years and I think that many of them “get it” now but feel powerless.

There is no grassroots support for the current leadership of the DNC in sufficient numbers to stop a movement to take it back by the moderates. Even Mayor Daly of Chicago said on Thursday: "The Democrats are Washington, D.C., politicians. They don't reach out to a mayor, a governor, or the state chairman. There's no local anymore". There is rebellion in the ranks and it needs to be fanned into a revolution.

I believe that a “Draft Zell” movement can do that. It would gather strong financial support from all concerned American's who are appalled at the activities of the Democratic leadership - Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike. Given sufficient resources, it can be done.

The effort to “Draft Zell” could also be independently supported. Much as the Swift Boat vets launched their drive to get the truth out about John Kerry, imagine the impact a series of commercials would have showing the corruption and deceit in the Democratic Leadership. We could put selected clips of Carville, Gore, Begalla, Kennedy… (God, we have so many to chose from) spewing their lies over the last two years and present the truth side by side. Imagine what we can accomplish matching up their lies to the truth - and we can do it in our pajamas!

Without all the noise and rhetoric of the election to confuse the issue, it would be devastating. Particularly as it would be funded and supported by Americans not tied to party affiliations – Americans in a Red and Blue State coalition to protect our country.

I believe that it should be done, I believe that it can be done. Let's Roll!


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To: Luke21

I agree..it's a non-starter. The problem for the Dems is their primary rules..Look..in the psotmortems, amny are sayig that the Dems need a guy like Evan Bayh..OK..let's see Bayh enter the primaries, the so does Dean..Case closed...The hard left wing controls the primaries, because of the activists and the c$h..


21 posted on 11/06/2004 3:46:05 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Ron/GA

We must save the democrats from their own stupid ideas. That, I'll agree with.

Sorry, I don't care to read this article.


22 posted on 11/06/2004 3:46:10 PM PST by Bullish
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To: Ron/GA
Actually, the name that concerns me, if the kool-aid wing of the Democratic Party doesn't continue their current meltdown and nominate Hellary, is Mike Easley. He just got re-elected Governor of North Carolina by 55%-43%, with the endorsement of the NRA, which gave him an A rating.

-Eric

23 posted on 11/06/2004 3:46:18 PM PST by E Rocc (Flipper is floating upside down in Lake Erie.)
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To: Ron/GA
Good post, especially for a vanity.

The problem with hoping Zell will regain power in the Democratic party is that he is a poison pill. His contributions to the Republican party convention is tantamount to betrayal. He will never hold any prominent Dem position again, and he knows it. Hoping Zell will take over the Democratic party is like hoping a horse with three broken legs will win the Kentucky Derby.

I think that the Democratic Party will have to burn itself to the ground before anything fresh comes from it. Did you notice that a lot of the names that have been advanced to run in 2008 are "moderate" Dems? Some people on the left are pulling their support from Hillary. I think that this is wise.

I do fear (in echo of yours) that we will have four years of venom to swim around in. If GWB gets a bad haircut or ties his shoes wrong, expect it to be in the news cycle for at least three weeks.

The left will not listen to us. We could draw a map, write detailed instructions, and lead them by the hand on how to win in 2008, but they will simply shrug, say "Stupid fundamentalists" and trot off to the next Michael Moore flick. Their problems can only be solved by them.

Thanks for the good read!

APf
24 posted on 11/06/2004 3:46:20 PM PST by APFel (I have no tagline.)
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To: Ron/GA
While the Democratic Party will need to reorder itself should it wish to survive, I think the only result would be pushing the liberal wing out to join the Greens (or whoever). The Democratic party swinging toward moderate might attract away liberal Republicans, leaving the GOP as a more fundamentally conservative party.
25 posted on 11/06/2004 3:48:14 PM PST by atomicpossum (They pelted us with rocks and garbage.)
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To: Damifino

I have seen some figs that the Libertarian party picked up a few percentage points in this election. When they were only carrying 1 one less as it was, they may have doubled or tripled their usual. Anyone think that Neal Bortz's folks might play a bigger role in the future?


26 posted on 11/06/2004 3:48:41 PM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Ron/GA

What happens to the DNC will depend on how willing (or not) they are to reach out to the President (not the President reaching out to them) and work with him on his agenda - maybe to soften what they see as the rough edges of it, but to get it passed regardless. Then there is are the elections in '06, and eventually '08. If the Dems again pander to the Far Left Whackos with Bush-bashing vitriol, it will likely take a further implosion and perhaps a split of the DNC into a true "Zel Miller/Joe Lieberman" DNC and then a Far Left Socialist Party. Yes, we may see an actual Socialist Party. But yes, let's let the free market of ideas decide. Let's NOT reach out to try and heal the DNC.


27 posted on 11/06/2004 3:50:41 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Ron/GA
They don't need saving, they need a major transformation.

The old Democrats of the south held many of the same conservative views of many Republicans. Those folks, like Zell, were abandoned by their party in favor of the "radical 60's" ideologues. Shoot, even Clinton shied away from some of the more radical dingbats of the party. Tis their problem to figure out and solve......and given the backstabbing two faced SOB's that many of them are, they shouldn't get help from the opposition.
28 posted on 11/06/2004 3:51:24 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Ron/GA

Interestingly enough I have thought about that as well and am concerned. Competition keeps entities alive and vital.

Take a look at Europe - they have various parties but they are essentially all socialists by different names.

We need challenges to keep us focused but we need real discourse and discussions not left wing crap - sorry for the nasty word but that's what is has been.


29 posted on 11/06/2004 3:51:37 PM PST by matchwood
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To: Ron/GA

I propose we replace the Democratic Party with the newly-formed Elbonian Party.

Might be a step up.


30 posted on 11/06/2004 3:52:02 PM PST by GnuHere
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To: Ron/GA
To protect America, we must save banish the Democrats.
31 posted on 11/06/2004 3:53:11 PM PST by slimer (I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.)
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To: Ron/GA
I agree with this.

A viable opposing party is important to the cause of liberty.

But I see it more as a cleaving of the Democrats, then saving them. Half of them are beyond help, and the laws of triage should let them die.

32 posted on 11/06/2004 3:54:18 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: GnuHere

What? There IS one already? I had in mind a Dilbert reference.


33 posted on 11/06/2004 3:54:23 PM PST by GnuHere
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To: Ron/GA
The disturbing reality is that the Democratic Party has been hijacked and is now controlled by elements that put their personal ambitions and interests before the good of their Party and America. I am forced to conclude that an intervention is required. We have to save the Democratic Party.

well written article and you make some very nice points. thanks for the post.

i agree that the democratic party has been hijacked and is in crash and burn mode. we have to follow hegel and allow nature to take its course without intervention. remember that marx and engels took hegel's work and tried to "force history" with intervention, and lenin was the implementer. while hegel's general theory of societal evolution appears true, one cannot predict what the outcome should be.

having said that, i believe that the democratic party will either turn more mainstream or it will splinter. if mainstrain is the direction, then the party is saved. if not, then there will be a bunch of splinter parties, probably regional parties (all screaming for more authority, meaning state's rights and less big government -- smile). eventually these parties will want to become natinoal parties and will have to find some form of common ground, unity, mission, vision and purpose. when that happens, then we will be back to a two party system.

another alternative should the democrats fade into oblivion, is that the republican party splits into to pieces. the conservative branch and the moderate branch. that would also give us a much needed two party system.

the possibilities are endless. to assume that saving the democratic party is a good thing is to not let nature run its course in determining our destiny.

34 posted on 11/06/2004 3:54:33 PM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Ron/GA
I am not certain there is anything sacred about the numbers 2 or higher or anything intrinsically evil about the number 1.

For the record, no country I have ever studied that had a dictatorship had a dictatorship because there was but a single party. The countries all appear to have fallen into dictatorship because the people failed to reward good men and oppose evil ones.

Let's look at Iraq in 1978. There must have been a dozen political parties back then. But the Bathist Party was full of evil men who were willing to murder tens of thousands of people to seize power and then murder upwards of a million people over twenty years to stay in power. All while the average Iraqi citizen sipped coffee hoping that Saddam's ghouls came for the guys at the next table in the coffee shop.

But what do the statistics show? Iraq has a population of about 17 million. The number of Iraqis who would have died of natural causes over 20 years (or about a fourth of a lifetime) would have been about 4.25 million. Saddam Hussein increased the average Iraqi's chance of dying over that timeframe by about 20%. That's more than cancer, heart disease, stroke combined.

My point is that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, not the number of political parties. My personal belief is that keeping the Democrats around is more of a threat to our liberty than dominance by the Republicans. Why? Because the leaders of the Democrat Party are evil men and women -- at least as evil as Saddam Hussein -- after all, they are the ones pushing abortion on demand which has murdered 40 million Americans in a bit longer than Saddam Hussein murdered 1 million Iraqis.

35 posted on 11/06/2004 3:54:56 PM PST by Lunkhead_01
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To: Ron/GA

No need to worry. Dems, well most of them any way, are like cockroaches. They'll always be with us :(


36 posted on 11/06/2004 3:55:41 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: atomicpossum
"I think the only result would be pushing the liberal wing out to join the Greens (or whoever).

When the vote is 51-49 (or somewhere thereabouts) I can't imagine either party letting any block walk. There cancer is within them and the cure will cost them several years to recover. Add to that that they are already the party of "right now at this moment" and it will be difficult for them gain a consensus on what can be done that will be effective.

37 posted on 11/06/2004 3:57:21 PM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Ron/GA

Political parties have come and gone over America's history. They usually die slow, lingering deaths when they can no longer agree to define and fight for their own core values. If the democrats can't succeed in redefining themselves the party will die a natural death and it's the nature of the American democracy that there will be another party formed or promoted to take its place.


38 posted on 11/06/2004 3:57:47 PM PST by JanetteS (My heart is as light as a song!)
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To: Ron/GA

If the Moderates want to split from the Progressive Socialist Party who can blame them. Let them do it themselves. The Clinton appointment of Judges and Bureaucrates throught our Government have caused great problems for our President.

We must clean house, in both houses and parties and also in the area of advisors to the President (Remember Clark). Starting with Specter -- since he has "Exposed himself", it's time for some Circumcision! This would be a good example to the rest of the RINCO crowd.

We must root them out from historical records and documentation. Expose them for the Marxist Socialist agents
that they are. We do not want Socialism!! We have to strong and committed to do this. Organization and documentation.


39 posted on 11/06/2004 3:58:10 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: anniegetyourgun

It would be interesting how many time the "out-of-power" party frist candidate to be mentioned after an electoral defeat actually gets the nomination. My recollections are the mostly flame out early.


40 posted on 11/06/2004 3:58:14 PM PST by L`enn
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