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1 posted on 11/04/2004 8:30:07 AM PST by truthandlife
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I dunno...I think Toomey would have lost in PA.


2 posted on 11/04/2004 8:32:12 AM PST by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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Yes - that and "supressing" the massive voter fraud in Philly...


3 posted on 11/04/2004 8:33:04 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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I think Bush could have won Pennsylvania if we could exclude Philadelphia, he could have won Michigan if we could exclude Detroit, he could have won Winconsin if we could exclude Milwaukee, and I think he may had a chance in Illinois if we could exclude Chicago.
6 posted on 11/04/2004 8:34:04 AM PST by longhorn too
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No, Philadelphia is to much dead weight dragging the whole state down. I supported Toomey in the primaries and did not vote for Sphincter. The conservative turnout here in Berks county was incredible and I don't think it could have been much better.
8 posted on 11/04/2004 8:34:53 AM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: truthandlife

Not likely, sorry.


10 posted on 11/04/2004 8:35:47 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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No way to win PA until you get Pilly votes from 80% Demon to 65% Demon


12 posted on 11/04/2004 8:37:09 AM PST by Rippin
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I despise Specter as much as anyone around here, but there's no way that Bush couldn't back him. Bush is the leader of the party, and the party's incumbents NEED to know that the party won't sandbag them. Bush's backing of Specter didn't earn him any loyalty from Specter himself, but it certainly earned him the loyalty of many other officeholders. They know they can count on the Big Man, no question at all.

Toomey will be back. There's talk of putting him up against Rendell.

13 posted on 11/04/2004 8:37:18 AM PST by Physicist
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Toomey would have definitely lost. However, it would have made no difference to Bush's showing in PA. I can understand how many think think the senate Republicans would be better off without Specter, but I disagree. This is likely Specter's last term, and I don't see him actively blocking the President's judicial selections.


16 posted on 11/04/2004 8:39:24 AM PST by Yancey Ward
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No. The fix was in by Rendell. Philadelphia county delivered the additional 300K votes required to carry PA. Oddly no one was suspicious that the largest county in the state was the first to post their returns while the smaller ones arrived much later.
17 posted on 11/04/2004 8:45:00 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberalism is a Hate Crime-Liberate America from the occupation media!)
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The short answer to this question is no.

It's based on a fundamentally incorrect assumption that conservatives didn't turn out, or if we did, we didn't vote for the President. The GOTV effort in PA was huge, and successful. And conservative Republicans went for Bush. We were angry over the endorsement, and we're still angry because Specter is such a hyperinflated windbag who's done so much to harm the conservative cause, and because unlike GWB and Rick Santorum, we know he isn't finished with that yet.

The "Republicans" who went for Kerry are Country Clubbers living in the Philly suburbs. Last time, they went for Gore. This time, they went for Kerry. If anything, Specter could have helped us with this group: they're his kind of "Republican." He did not. To my knowledge he didn't even make a single positive statement about the President during the campaign, anywhere, anytime.

To win Pennsylvania, Bush needed to flip two areas. He needed to get the votes of ethnic Catholics in Coal Country who went for Reagen twice. He made some progress, but he didn't get as much as he needed. He also needed to flip the Philly suburbs back into the Republican column. He didn't.

Theories about rampant fraud or derailment by angry conservatives don't wash. Fraud happens, but you don't come up 125,000 votes short. No significant number of conservatives was so determined to punish Bush that they stayed home. The stakes were too high.

Those of us who know Specter knew we wouldn't have to do anything to punish the President for his foolish lapse: Specter is going to punish Bush plenty in the next four years, without any help from deranged right wingers.

18 posted on 11/04/2004 8:47:59 AM PST by FredZarguna (Ready now thy pajamas. For the Dark Queen begins to gather all evil things unto herself.)
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I think Bush had a slight chance of winning PA if Specter wasn't on the ballot. Pennsylvania is a strong pro-life state (they elected a pro-life Democrat to two terms as governor) - and having Specter on the ticket meant the GOP had to tip-toe around that issue instead of pulling out all the stops.

And, in the ultimate irony of this election, the GOP removed the main obstructionists for conservative judges in the Senate - only to have that role replaced by one of their own, that they could have gotten rid of as well.

19 posted on 11/04/2004 8:48:38 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline temporarily out of commission due to excessive intake of gin-soaked raisins)
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Weigh this carefully. In the politics of yesteryear, as expressed by another President from Texas, LBJ, this would have been "Keeping his p****r in my pocket", but I am sure that George W. Bush is nowhere nearly that pragmatic or cynical. As it is, Arlen Specter is beholden to Bush now, and as chair of the Judiciary Committee, is in a position to steer the nominations for the Federal bench, all the way up to the Supreme Court. All Bush should have to do is pick up the phone, and the wheels are already greased.

If Bill Frist can show some cojones, and hold the Democrats' feet to the fire when they threaten a filibuster, by keeping any filibuster going non-stop until they sit down, he may just be able to break that tactic for good. At best, the Democrats will abandon the tactic for good, and at the minimum, it would put them on notice, there is just not much tolerance for disruptive activities.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 8:53:07 AM PST by alloysteel
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"Could Bush have won Pennsylvania if the Republicans would have had a more conservative candidate to vote for in the Senate? Would more conservatives have voted in Pennsylvania?"

You bet your ass!

22 posted on 11/04/2004 8:56:30 AM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades.)
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What's worse is that Santorum also endorsed Specter...


38 posted on 11/04/2004 11:35:56 AM PST by animoveritas
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