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DRUDGE: Russia tied to Iraq´s missing arms; Pentagon: Weaponry relocated before war
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Posted on 10/27/2004 7:11:06 PM PDT by The G Man

Nothing further. Freaking Russians ...


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KEYWORDS: 001aaaratnightmare; alqaqaa; ammogate; comsympkerry; dirtytricks; dod; hmx; johnashaw; johnshaw; kerrylies; kerrysadumbass; napalminthemorning; nytrogate; qaqaagate; rats; rdx; russia; shaw; syria; wmd
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
Tell your hubby to keep up the good work.

I cannot wait till Tuesday. It is taking forever to get here.

621 posted on 10/27/2004 8:50:52 PM PDT by processing please hold (All I ever need to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11)
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To: bear11

The way things are going we are going to need all the coffee we can get.
It's deployment time. We are going to be working night and
day. You on?


622 posted on 10/27/2004 8:50:59 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: All

anyone notice HOW SILENT....Jay Rockefellors (D) has been....

It is like he knows something and don't want to risk his reputation with Kerry over all this.

He is on the committee.....Silence speaks volumes!!


623 posted on 10/27/2004 8:51:07 PM PDT by wvromania
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To: The G Man

Kerry is in deep manure!


624 posted on 10/27/2004 8:51:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: grey_whiskers

Sorry grey...didn't mean to scare you.

I promise you I'm a troll kiler...not a dirty lurking troll!


625 posted on 10/27/2004 8:52:00 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: Nasher

The Wash Times names names (John Shaw) - the MSM can do their own reporting if they like


626 posted on 10/27/2004 8:52:16 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: TapTheSource

I don't worry too much about India now. Two decades from now is another story. For example, that recent air combat exercise in which they surprised USA's best pilots using our best equipment. And recent writers in India have pointed to USA as a future adversary, speculating 2017 as India's coming of age. But I digress. Those Russian and Chinese ICBMs worry me now ...


627 posted on 10/27/2004 8:52:40 PM PDT by Resolute
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To: Salvation

Kerry is going to be a real trip on the campaign trail tomorrow. Spinning head, green ... Linda Blair type stuff.


628 posted on 10/27/2004 8:52:49 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (If it talks like a liberal, votes like a liberal and spends like a liberal, it's a liberal.)
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To: DaveTesla

Syria...Bekka Valley Lebanon.


629 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:05 PM PDT by processing please hold (All I ever need to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11)
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To: MonaMars

Sorry, but you're way off on this.

John Kerry has positioned himself as the authority on criticizing POTUS (normal in an election year).

By jumping on the missing weapons bandwagon the way he did, he was set up for a big fall. He took the bait hook, line and sinker.


630 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:13 PM PDT by bear11
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To: The G Man

U.S. Says Russian Engineers Aided Iraq's Missile Program

By James Risen

The New York Times -- WASHINGTON

A group of Russian engineers secretly aided Saddam Hussein's long-range ballistic missile program, providing technical assistance for prohibited Iraqi weapons projects even in the years just before the war that ousted him from power, American government officials say.

Iraqis who were involved in the missile work told American investigators that the technicians had not been working for the Russian government, but for a private company. But any such work on Iraq's banned missiles would have violated U.N. sanctions, even as the U.N. Security Council sought to enforce them.

Although Iraq ultimately failed to develop and produce long-range ballistic missiles and though even its permitted short-range missile projects were fraught with problems, its missile program is now seen as the main prohibited weapons effort that Iraq continued right up until the war was imminent.

After the first Persian Gulf war in 1991, Iraq was allowed only to keep crude missiles that could travel up to 150 kilometers, or about 90 miles, but the Russian engineers were assisting Baghdad's secret efforts illegally to develop longer-range missiles, according to the American officials.

Since the invasion in March, American investigators have discovered that the Russian engineers had worked on the Iraqi program both in Moscow and in Baghdad, and that some of them were in the Iraqi capital as recently as 2001, according to people familiar with the intelligence on the matter.

Because some of the Russian experts were said to have formerly worked for one of Russia's aerospace design centers, which remains closely associated with the state, their work for Iraq has raised questions in Washington about whether Russian government officials knew of their involvement in forbidden missile programs. “Did the Russians really not know what they were doing?” asked one person familiar with the U.S. intelligence reports.

"The U.S. has not presented any evidence of Russian involvement," said Yevgeny Khorishko, a spokesman for the Russian Embassy.

Russia and the former Soviet Union were among Iraq's main suppliers of arms for decades before Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, leading to the first gulf war.

The Bush administration has previously said it had uncovered evidence that Iraq had unsuccessfully sought help from North Korea for its missile program, but had not disclosed the evidence that Iraq had also received Russian technical support.

CIA and White House officials refused to comment on the matter, and people familiar with the intelligence say they believe that the administration has been reluctant to reveal what it knows about Moscow's involvement in order to avoid harming relations with President Vladimir V. Putin.

"They are hyper-cautious about confronting Putin on this," complained one intelligence source.

In his public testimony last week about the worldwide threats facing the United States, George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, restated Washington's longstanding concerns about Russia's controls over its missile and weapons technology, without mentioning the evidence of missile support for the Saddam government.


This story was published on Friday, March 5, 2004.
Volume 124, Number 10

631 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:15 PM PDT by RightFighter
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To: Kylie_04

I like it. But could it be as simple as Russia's need for oil, and the realization that Russia needs our help to defeat the bastards they are fighting? Did they not want the civilized world to know they were tools to set up this crazy terrorism. Did they slowly realize Sadam was in bed with Osama and the others? Enemy of my enemy thing?


632 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:16 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: PrinceOfCups
On the contrary, I would opine that Putin leaked the story.

This IS a Tom Clancy story!

Is this why Bush has been relatively quiet on criticizing Putin and vice versa while at the same time not appearing overly friendly? And maybe any "public squabbles" were for cover?

And?

After Beslan, Putin said he wanted to form an alliance with civilized countries to jointly fight the terrorists.

Now, if Bush, Putin, Blair, Howard and rest formed an alliance to hunt down the terrorists wherever (no borders) they are...they will truly have NO WHERE TO HIDE.

633 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:25 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Play Bommers http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html)
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To: dixiechick2
How would I know state secrets?

I thought you might have heard something Kerry said that caught your attention.

Otheres did too...I forgot what they said.

634 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said. The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.

"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6. "The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

It is not known if the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not convince Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said. The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.

Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.

Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.

"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.

Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.

The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.

The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

635 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:29 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Good suggestion. Can you email it to Putin? <sarcasm off


636 posted on 10/27/2004 8:53:33 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: UCANSEE2
We have sat pictures of convoys moving from Iraq to Syria. At the time, I believe it was in the news that we didn't interfere, because they had Russians troops manning the convoy, and we had no way to prove they were doing anything wrong

Don't depend on Putin to come to the rescue.

The Administration should release the satellite images.


637 posted on 10/27/2004 8:54:03 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: DaveTesla

Two words:
HELL YES!


638 posted on 10/27/2004 8:54:05 PM PDT by bear11
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

OMGGGGG I just got back online

Rack Wash Times for busting Illya and the Russians


639 posted on 10/27/2004 8:54:06 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: section9

Thank you for your analysis. I am too tired to wade through everything that goes on here at FR. Reading your posts gets me caught up in a hurry. :)


640 posted on 10/27/2004 8:54:10 PM PDT by GWfan
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