Posted on 10/13/2004 9:48:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Kerry Lost Security Clearance!
Just spoke with reporter friend in DC. She is talking with former USN ONI types who worked on DOD/USN investigation that resulted in total loss of Kerry’s Navy security clearance.
Kerry had been granted a Top Secret by the Navy on October 11, 1967 based on a routine background investigation by Office of Naval Intelligence. A top secret clearance was required for his work at that time.
Obtaining and holding a security clearance of any level, especially TS or above, requires certain terms, obligations, commitments and conditions from the holder. One of the most important is the holder of the clearance must promptly and fully any contacts with any foreign officials, agents, etc.
Lieutenant Kerry left active duty with the Navy on January 3, 1970, but he still carried those obligations as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve. Without telling anyone and without receiving permission from superiors,FBI or counter-intelligence officers, he traveled to Paris in the summer of 1970. He claimed the purpose of his trip was a honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne, but there was another hidden purpose.
Numerous North Vietnamese and Viet Cong intelligence agents and officials were in Paris, having arrived a year earlier for the “Peace Talks.” While in Paris, Kerry met with agents on a number of occasions and had extensive discussions with them about U.S. plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to essentially surrender in Vietnam.
These clandestine meetings were never reported to the Navy.
Almost a year later, in April 1091, speaking as the leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War, Lieutenant Kerry told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents. Senior DOD officials wanted to prosecute him as a Naval Reserve officer for violating a number of laws and regulations, but this was vetoed by the Nixon White House. They didn’t want to give the anti-war crowd any additional PR ammunition.
However, the Navy immediately pulled Kerry’s security clearance. He became a Naval Reserve officer who was known not to be trusted. He kept his commission, but lost all access to any classified information. In the words of one of the now-retired agents, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
The bottom line is, Kerry was on the Intelligence Committee of the Senate after the Paris fiasco and another trip to support the Moscow-backed Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
Today, he couldn’t get a security clearance to pull KP duty, but he wants to be Commander in Chief of all our military in the War on Terrorism!
That could be the document we remembered seeing with the JAG reference. I have talked with my hubby about it more since my earlier post. We both think it was a cover letter or something similar, that had an enclosure with it or referred to an enclosure in the document. We thought it appeared to be a response to an inquiry by Kerry regarding his service. We surmised at the time that perhaps Kerry was checking his "modified" record to make sure nothing showed up regarding any disciplinary action that might have been made earlier, and that he was verifying that JAG would not report anything derogatory. (We were guessing back then just like everyone else that Kerry had originally received something less than an honorable discharge, and had it upgraded after Carter gave amnesty to Vietnam deserters, etc.)
http://swift4.he.net/~swift4/article.php?story=20041013095601773
The way I see it, if you're not worthy of a security clearance, you're not worthy of an honorable discharge, either.
Neat Ping!
You hit the nail on the head!
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"if you're not worthy of a security clearance, you're not worthy of an honorable discharge"
Being "not worthy" of a particular clearance is one thing. Having a clearance "pulled" is entirely another unless one was moved to a job where a certain level was no longer required. Moving from river boat captain to being on an Admiral's staff would indicate a clearance above TS would be appropriate.
If his clearance was yanked due to his activities while still an officer (though not on active duty), it could be something major...
Will have to keep an eye on this story.
Just MHO, of course.
The revocation of a security clearance in no small
matter. Considering that Kerry has admitted to
consorting with the enemy (Paris contacts with PRC
reps), such an action by the military would be
expected. Unfortunately, the main stream media has
not seen fit to investigate this matter. Coupled with
the unanswered questions of his discharge (
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005752),
this constitutes quite an October Surprise. It also
explains Kerry's refusal to open all his records. In
this respect, the SBVT campaign has actually worked in
Kerry's favor. Until these latest revelations, many
thought that Kerry refused to make his military record
public to save face in the medals, Purple Heart
discharge scandal. In fact, he might be attempting to
cover something much more serious, namely a less than
honorable discharge due to his questionable anti-war
activities. Considering that Kerry seeks to be elected
to the office which includes the duties of
Commander-in-Chief (during time of war), I pray a
timely follow-up to these questions can be mounted. Obviously, the MSM will not touch this unless they are shamed into covering it (as in Rathergate) by the alternate media. To think, America's salvation may be in the hands of pajamad patriots.
BUMP
Fat President Lies
His wife says she hates no Jews
Final Solution?
(from 1998 or so).
Exactly. The media will set the bar extremely high and will do all they can to ignore or downplay even the most reliable information on this. This SHOULD be a monstrous scandal, as it would be if it were true of any Republican candidate, but for it to have any public impact in the next 20 days there has to be irrefutable documentation AND witness testimony available almost immediately. Unless there is firm documentation, this story doesn't even have a chance of affecting the campaign, no matter how much we would all love to see John "Hanoi" Kerry sinking out of sight, lost in the cesspool of Democratic Party politics forever.
Yes, and let's all remember that the major media have allowed numerous Clinton-Leahy-O'Leary security outrages to pass almost unnoticed. Actual cases of leaks and even espionage are treated as trivial matters by the liberal press; think of how many still defend Alger Hiss (if they even know who he is). This will be treated as an obscure and distant issue unless there is some very juicy and unimpeachable documentation available soon.
There's no way Kerry's loss of security clearance more than 30 years ago will have any traction whatsoever unless there is clear-cut evidence made available immediately AND some people like John McCain are moved to condemn Kerry. Otherwise, the media will ignore it, downplay it, and/or treat it as some long ago "he said, she said" about anti-war protests.
I want to see Kerry's campaign sink as much as anyone does, but it's going to take a lot more than this to do it - and whatever's going to happen, it has to happen SOON!
I have no idea. As I wrote earlier, it is plausible that Kerry could have lost his Navy security clearance based on his antiwar activities. However, we don't have any factual evidence that he did, just second or third hand information.
Incredible...this MUST get out!!! Not only as Commander in Chief, but on a daily basis the President gets CIA briefings, if he is not fit to view military secrets, how can he deal with the CIA? Effin' would NOT be able to do his JOB!!!
This will break HOT!
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