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Libertarians Win a Hearing in Debate Case
The New York Sun ^ | October 11, 2004 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 10/11/2004 4:55:37 PM PDT by LibertyRocks

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To: WildTurkey
Libertarians might pose the most important questions or answers. Which ones, please, referencing the recent debate Mr. B. was in on 10/6?

LIKE: Getting feds out of the education indoctrination buisness(public schools)

and maybe stopping all federal grants to any college that indoctrinates socialist dogma..

or maybe even giving the ol' FCC some decent sharp dentures to police the public air waves.. instead of trashing 280 millions dollars a year(2004)... for WHAT... NOTHING...

181 posted on 10/11/2004 9:06:51 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: sinkspur

Libertarians advocate PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Not government entitlements. Personal responsibility is something our two party system has seemed to forget.
They want to make all of our decisions for us including who gets to "participate" in the political process.

We wouldn't be fighting a war on terror because if the libertarian energy policy had been adopted 30 years ago imported oil would not be the focus of protectionary taxation. As I see it, neither the Democrats of Republicans have scored very high in solving a lot of national problems because they spend their time protecting their power base and appeasing contributors.

Perot could have won the 92 election but he was rattled by the intimidators and personal attack engineers who threatened his personal safety because he was a threat to their power base if his coalition had remained intact.
It is all about controlling the largest economy in the world and the power it represents. Not representing the people who have made our nation the old fashioned way.......... by working.


182 posted on 10/11/2004 9:06:51 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: dcwusmc

Libertarians are also lots closer to Ted Kosinski than Republicans IMO!


183 posted on 10/11/2004 9:08:15 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: WildTurkey
A. By not being ALLOWED equal access, his campaign is forced to expend resources for equal access the Big Two don't have to worry about in their stacked deck system. As was brought up earlier, this would not be an issue with all political parties refused to use ANY tax money in their campaigns at all.

Or is the whole equality under the law thing lost on you?

184 posted on 10/11/2004 9:09:03 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse
That's right. How dare the little people think they should get equal access to the same publicly funded venues as our Big Two Party masters... er... I mean leaders.

I remember you said you didn't watch the nationally televised four-party debate with Mr. B, but did you watch the nationally televised debate between Mr. B and the Green Party candidate?

185 posted on 10/11/2004 9:10:30 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: MistyCA
I think everyone should be included in the debate.

Make it an all day event. Jerry Lewis telethon style. Have debate run offs with call in voting. Final two survivors at the end of the day face each other in gladatorial combat.

Once everyone is dead or demoralized, the population can get on about their business knowing that anyone who actually would WANT the job of ruling over millions of people has been safely kept from doing so.

186 posted on 10/11/2004 9:11:27 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: hosepipe
Second Amendment. Property Rights. Tort reform. Law reform in general. Requiring legislation reference specific power in the Constitution for it to pass Congress.

Nothing too major. Not like which has better hair or can pronounce words like nuclear and Ghengis.

187 posted on 10/11/2004 9:13:44 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: o_zarkman44

you really need to do a little research before you post.

The CPD is a private organization. Not a government one

The debates themselves are funded by donations.

yes, correctly,no one can challenge their exclusion, anymore than you can challenge that augusta country club didn't offer you a membership. It's a private meeting. Check your constitution for futher details.

Air force one is funded by taxpayers,but the campaign repays it for use of the plane. It's been that way forever. It's afact of life - the president doesn't fly coach.

Yes, public funding kicks in for the candidates after their debate - it's called matching funds. But stretching to say this means they can't exclude anyone from the (PRIVATE) debate is like saying john kerry has to let george bush speak at every one of his rallies because kerry received public funds.

Sorry, you failed the logic test. Also the constituional law test. Goodbye.


188 posted on 10/11/2004 9:14:12 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: WildTurkey
I remember

Note to self: Sign off, your mind needs a break.

189 posted on 10/11/2004 9:14:50 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: WildTurkey

Caughts parts of it on CSPAN's webiste. Oddly, I didn't know it was going to be broadcast. I wonder why the media lets everyone know when Bush/Kerry will spend hours talking past each other, but completely fail to let anyone know when others are having actual debates.


190 posted on 10/11/2004 9:15:51 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: sinkspur

"If the judge forces the debate commission to allow Bednarik and Nader and Peroutka into the debates, the commission will cancel the final debate." you said.

I say cluck cluck cluck chicken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly what are they scared of?
I hope it IS cancelled. The 2 party debate process is a scripted facade for consumers of bs. I think the people should decide who gets in since it is US these candidates claim to represent. Backing out will only reinforce the lack of accountability of the two party power mongers.
If 3rd party candidates fall flat on their face.....there is no better place than in front of the tv cameras.
Flip floppers should not get all the glory!


191 posted on 10/11/2004 9:18:28 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: flashbunny
The CPD is a private organization. Not a government one

Do you have a source for this info? Nothing turning up on Google. Search criteria "Commission for Presidential Debates funding".

192 posted on 10/11/2004 9:18:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse
face each other in gladatorial combat.

Draw straws. One candidate outfitted in full armor with a short dagger - the other nude with a long sword.

193 posted on 10/11/2004 9:18:42 PM PDT by lakey
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To: WildTurkey

I thought the Democrats were the party of the courts?
Every time there is something political they disagree with they run to a judge.


194 posted on 10/11/2004 9:20:12 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: lakey
Er... no. I don't want to risk seeing Nader or Kerry sans habit.

Now... if Condi runs against Ol' Crusty... Dr. Rice is a damn fine looking woman with boku brains to boot. Can I still say that without getting in trouble with some obscure organisation who hunt down men and torture them?

195 posted on 10/11/2004 9:21:15 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Jonathon Spectre

right on! This is a matter of inclusion, not exclusion from the process.


196 posted on 10/11/2004 9:22:43 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44
Perot could have won the 92 election but he was rattled by the intimidators and personal attack engineers who threatened his personal safety because he was a threat to their power base if his coalition had remained intact.

No. His organization fell apart amid bitter jealousy and infighting.

197 posted on 10/11/2004 9:23:42 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: WildTurkey

LOL! Figuring out answers off the top of one's head does tucker one out.


198 posted on 10/11/2004 9:24:18 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Dead Corpse
Caughts parts of it on CSPAN's webiste. Oddly, I didn't know it was going to be broadcast. I wonder why the media lets everyone know when Bush/Kerry will spend hours talking past each other, but completely fail to let anyone know when others are having actual debates.

Probably because the LP never bothered to issue a press release.

199 posted on 10/11/2004 9:24:51 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: A CA Guy

As if I should care about your opinion? If I ever find myself in agreement with you, sinky or CJ, I KNOW I'm on the wrong side of the issue. Republicans in the higher echelons are far closer to Ted "No-pants" Kennedy than to Conservatives. Remember "No Child Left Behind?" Guess who's in the HIGHEST echelon of the (R) party?


200 posted on 10/11/2004 9:25:33 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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