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How Bush Won Round 2
NY Times ^ | October 11, 2004 | WILLIAM SAFIRE

Posted on 10/10/2004 9:50:09 PM PDT by neverdem

OP-ED COLUMNIST

Washington

When pro-Kerry commentators solemnly pronounce Debate Round 2 to have been "a draw" - you know George Bush won that round.

The president won because he went in with a theme spoken by the heavyweight champion Joe Louis, just before his 1946 rematch victory over the lighter, faster Billy Conn: "He can run, but he can't hide." (The Brown Bomber caught up with Conn in the eighth round of that first TV spectacular.)

Bush's debate plan was to keep boring in on the Kerry record: flip-flopping this year on the war, but all too consistently liberal for 20 years on tax increases.

On the war, Kerry almost eagerly made Bush's point, at first saying, "I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat," and moments later denouncing Bush for being "preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn't a threat."

The president exploited the contradiction in Kerry's latest policy, which claims the ability to attract troop support from France, Germany and Russia - while agreeing with them that the war was a diversion. To Kerry's "plan" to hold a summit, Bush asked: "And what is he going to say to those people that show up to the summit? 'Join me in the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place'?"

Although Kerry accused the Bush campaign of "mass deception," he let the president focus on that illogical policy. The Democrat weakly cited recent worrying by Republican Senators Richard Lugar and Chuck Hagel, recited a list of retired generals who endorsed him and embraced Ronald Reagan. Such a stretch for conservative company, followed by a plaintive "We will get tough!," hardly shows strength.

When Kerry complained again of "going it alone," Bush was ready with a powerful counterpunch: "Tell Tony Blair we're going alone. Tell Silvio Berlusconi we're going alone. Tell Aleksander Kwasniewski we're going alone."

This not only showed that Bush knew these allies personally, but could also pronounce Kwasniewski's name, which reminded Polish-Americans that Poland's president had responded angrily to Kerry's brushoff of his country's sacrifices in the first debate. (Next day, Australians re-elected John Howard, a staunch coalition member, who trounced a cut-and-run opponent - good news for coalition leaders.)

When the questioning turned to taxes, Kerry pandered with a liberal's absurd promise not to sign legislation raising taxes on anybody making less than $200,000 a year, neglecting only to say,"Read my lips."

Kerry also blundered with a weird attack on an $84 item in the Bushes' federal income tax return, supposedly from a timber business. "I own a timber company? That's news to me," said Bush, adding engagingly in what was the most natural moment in the debate, "Need some wood?" It turns out that Kerry relied on an Annenberg Web site that later admitted it had been confused, which left the Democratic candidate out on a hardwood limb. Bush was too much the gentleman to point out, now that their income taxes were in dispute, that Mrs. Heinz Kerry paid only 11 percent in 2003 on her $5 million income, while the Bushes paid 28 percent.

(Although every Bush slip gets delighted examination - he called Kerry "Kennedy" and he said, "Internets"; can you imagine? - Kerry's minor gaffes attract little notice. When citing his overseas travel in the first debate, Kerry talked of visiting the old K.G.B. headquarters "in Treblinka square." He meant Lubyanka Square; Treblinka was the Nazi death camp. We all make mistakes.)

As Bush picked up steam, Kerry seemed to lose heart, again evoking Lugar and Hagel, skillfully backing away like Billy Conn. Asked about high damage awards gained by trial lawyers that drive up everybody's insurance premiums, he replied that John Edwards and he "support tort reform," even to limitations on punitive awards. Bush delivered a body blow: "You're now for capping punitive damages. That's odd. You should have shown up on the floor in the Senate and voted for it then."

In an anguishing moment, Kerry said he was against partial-birth abortion (as are most voters, including many pro-choice) and then explained why he voted against the ban that is now law. Countered Bush: "He was given a chance to vote and he voted no. . . . It's clear for everybody to see. And as I said, you can run, but you can't hide."

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1 posted on 10/10/2004 9:50:09 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
How Bush Won Round 2

Because he got emotional involved. Emotions...that's everything in America today, forget facts by themselves.
2 posted on 10/10/2004 9:51:48 PM PDT by Vision ("When you trust in yourself, you're trusting in the same wisdom that created you")
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To: neverdem

Excellent post, thanks


3 posted on 10/10/2004 9:55:36 PM PDT by Cruz
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To: Vision

And because he was in a town hall setting, something he feels very comfortable with. He relates well to people, and I like that in a President.

He sure got in some zingers, didn't he? I loved the "need some wood" comment.


4 posted on 10/10/2004 9:58:26 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Flush the Johns in 2004!!!)
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To: neverdem

"Kerry also blundered with a weird attack on an $84 item in the Bushes' federal income tax return, supposedly from a timber business. "I own a timber company? That's news to me," said Bush, adding engagingly in what was the most natural moment in the debate, "Need some wood?" It turns out that Kerry relied on an Annenberg Web site that later admitted it had been confused, which left the Democratic candidate out on a hardwood limb."

But, but factcheck.org said that was true!


5 posted on 10/10/2004 9:58:38 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: blogblogginaway

Factcheck rechecked themselves.


6 posted on 10/10/2004 10:01:44 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: neverdem
The NY Slimes published this?????

Somebody get me a paper bag - I'm hyperventilating.

7 posted on 10/10/2004 10:01:53 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: GoLightly

Did they?


8 posted on 10/10/2004 10:03:19 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: neverdem

How Bush won the debate? Part of it's cause America already knows that he says what he means and means what he says. Then we see sKerry standing right beside him and the more sKerry does his double-talk next to Bush, the more obvious it gets.


9 posted on 10/10/2004 10:03:32 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: blogblogginaway

Maybe he mistakenly went to factcheck.com to get that.


10 posted on 10/10/2004 10:04:52 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: neverdem

John Kerry's Discharge - He won't sign Form 180 - What is he hiding?

http://acuf.org/issues/issue21/040929pol.asp

What a young man did more than 30 years ago should not be a primary criteria in determining his qualifications to be President of the United States. George Bush has had almost 4 years now as Commander and Chief of the World"s largest military force and he should be judged on how well he has done. Yet John Kerry and the Democratic left won"t give it up. On almost a daily basis he says I served this country honorably as a young man in Vietnam (4 months/12 days) and I will serve this country honorably as Commander and Chief. Then the Left yells that George Bush got preferential treatment in getting into the National Guard and even failed to complete his guard obligations; even forging documents to prove their point.

The facts are that George Bush served honorably in the National Guard obtaining service points far in excess of the 50 annual service points required to meet his obligation. Records show that in 1968/69 he accumulated 253 points, 340 in 1969/70, 137 in 1970/71, 112 in 1971/72, 56 in 1972/73 and 56 in 1973/74. Points far in excess of the service agreed to and that required to meets his obligation and be Honorably Discharged. George Bush has never made his National Guard service a qualification to lead this country, nor has he ever questioned the service of John Kerry.

While the Left and the mainstream media have never questioned the Vietnam era service of John Kerry, they seem to feel that the record of George Bush 30 years ago should be of concern to voters in November. But what about John Kerry's record? We are told that he was a decorated veteran. We are also told that he was deeply involved in anti-war activities on his return from Vietnam in violation of his oath as an officer in the US Navy. By his own account of his actions and protests, he violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Further he met, on two occasions, with North Vietnamese negotiators in 1970 and 1971, while a Reserve Officer, willingly placing himself in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

From here the record of John Kerry becomes unclear and the mainstream press won't demand that John Kerry sign a Department of Defense (DOD) form 180 that would release all of his military records. Records released by his campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001. Why the confusion on a relatively simple service event. Could it be that John Kerry received a less than honorable discharge in the early 70"s because of his anti-war activities? And then was pardoned for those activities when then President Jimmy Carter on January 21, 1978 ( Proclamation 4483) granted a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated there under.

Did John Kerry request that his service be granted an Honorable Discharge and it was finally granted in 1978? Only a complete release of his military records will show what actually happened during this period. And, to date John Kerry has refused to sign the necessary DOD form 180 which would allow for this release. If the Democratic Party, the media, and the Bush critics are going to demand, as they do on almost a daily basis, that George Bush release all of his records, should they not do the same for John Kerry?

Michael Ashbury is a noted researcher and author, and the author of ''Who is the REAL John Kerry?'' (Booksurge.com 2004). His website is at http://www.whoistherealjohnkerry.com


11 posted on 10/10/2004 10:05:24 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (GET OUT THE VOTE NOV 2 ! IF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR RELATIVES NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS OFFER TO HELP)
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To: neverdem
So today I'm watching those weanies on Fox News Sunday and Bill Kristol doesn't seem to understand the desire for the Bush camp to try to paint Kerry as a strongly committed liberal after months of painting him as a flip-flopper. Mr. Kristol, if you read this site, let me help you out.

You see, up until now, the goal was to show the American people that this piece of crap Senator from Massachusetts talks out of both sides of his mouth. It's as if he's asking which ever audience he is appealing to: "What do you want me to say, I'll say it, I'll say it! Just please, please, please make me President. Please make me President!"

Bush's goal now is to show that you can't believe a thing that Kerry tells you he will do. You must look at how he's voted when he doesn't have a Presidential race bearing down on him to see what has been consistent about him. The truth is, John Kerry has always been a consistent liberal. He has always been against wars that actually help the US. Against tax cuts and for tax increases. Against anything resembling a cut in government spending. Against traditional values and any restrictions on abortion. Against the 2nd Amendment.

I think this move is ingenious. I just wish that the President had begun to hammer this home in the first debate and worry that we may have moved into a too little too late situation.
12 posted on 10/10/2004 10:05:31 PM PDT by GmbyMan ("Government is not the solution to the problems we face! Government is the PROBLEM!!!"-Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem
Bush was so mean. Confusing the issues with facts and making the better debater look bad. How typically Republican to take a good man with good intentions and make him look terrible.

We intellectuals all know that Kerry has a plan to save us, no matter what we might need saving from. All we have to go on with Bush is what he actually has done. And that sort of thing as really got the Arab freedom fighters really emotional about US.



Notice: The previous was an endeavors into Sarcasm. To those who have lost their cookies, an apology is due..
13 posted on 10/10/2004 10:05:33 PM PDT by DSBull (Truth is the light of the World, shine it everywhere)
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To: potlatch; Smartass; devolve; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP

NY Times columnist (really!) says Bush won.


14 posted on 10/10/2004 10:06:11 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: GoLightly

Clearly President Bush won.....with honesty and conviction. You don't have to sweat, if you aren't lying. Kerry's face self destructed.......what the heck was that?

MSM have been exposed for that they are. Fox better take heed to the wake up call.

They think they got to #1 by kissing up to the libs? No............


15 posted on 10/10/2004 10:06:23 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: All

Acutally the quote "you can run but you can't hide" origianlly was said by Lt. Decatuer of the US Navy while hunting down pirates on the Barbary coast in the early 1800s. He chased a few away in one fight and said "They can run but they can't hide" and has been quoted by many people since then, one of them being Joe Louis who paraphrased it by saying "YOU can run but YOU can't hide". Tripoli was one of the major areas of this region and that is where the line "shores of Tripoli" came about in the Marine Hymn. Just a little something you would think a reporter would know.


16 posted on 10/10/2004 10:06:39 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Vision

Speaking of emotions, in the third and final debate, the Prez needs to bring up two things thus far ignored. He needs to flush Kerry out on where he stands on:

1. Reparations for descedants of slaves. This is a win/win for the Prez. If JFK opposes reps then he alienates the black community; if he favors them, then he pisses off millions of Dems and Indys.

2. NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) Does Kerry agree with the ACLU protecting this child molesting organization? That oughta scare the hell out of every American mom and dad with small boys.

Maybe I'm too radical. (See my tagline.)


17 posted on 10/10/2004 10:07:49 PM PDT by no dems (It's time to get radical before the Democrats steal this election & our country.)
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To: neverdem
I have always loved William Safire's takes. He is the one conservative commentator who has such unimpeachable stature, for a career based in large part on his own integrity, which must grate on the editorial board of the New York Times to no end. I can only imagine that they keep waiting for the guy to die so they can totally spin the news, but Safire just keeps plugging away. I could go on and on about Safire's skills as a grammarian, his avoidance of rhetorical fallacies when presenting arguments, and more, but suffice it to say the guy is one of the best there's ever been.

William Safire, I wish you a long life indeed. And what a nice job you've done in analyzing this latest debate.
18 posted on 10/10/2004 10:07:56 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: neverdem

On the war, Kerry almost eagerly made Bush's point, at first saying, "I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat," and moments later denouncing Bush for being "preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn't a threat."

The guy constantly contradicts himself in one sentence... He IS a Saturday Night Live skit.

Too subtle?

19 posted on 10/10/2004 10:09:04 PM PDT by freestyle
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To: calex59
Then the quote by Bush has been proved highly accurate. He is chasing down an American Pirate Politician who is trying to steal this Countries soul...On Nov 2 we will all witness Kerry the French walk the plank..
20 posted on 10/10/2004 10:10:13 PM PDT by DSBull (Truth is the light of the World, shine it everywhere)
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