[neverdem]

I found a section of Science Times from May 2, 2000. I googled the title. Voila, no fee was asked. If you go to the NY Times archive, they want to charge a fee for articles older than 2 weeks.

[neverdem]

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[muawiyah]

Does anyone know anything about the "X" lineage, rare as it is?

The only Old World language to ever be linked with a New World language is one related to Sumerian and Sami in the Finno-Ugric subgroup.

Could that be our "X"?

[VRWCTexan]

Gen. 5:4-5 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Adam and Eve had other children (unnamed)

[tdewey10]

Very cool.

[balrog666]

Past ping!

[Graymatter]

ping!

[RAY]

Wow!

[walden]

"But geneticists, by tracing the DNA patterns found in people throughout the world, have now identified lineages descended from 10 sons of a genetic Adam and 18 daughters of Eve. "

Looks like the data contradicts the title-- there weren't 10 Adams and 18 Eves, but 10 sons of Adam and 18 daughters of Eve (how in the heck did that work?) Methinks this is all a bit sketchy at this point. ;)

Nevertheless, looks like the real story here is 1 Adam, 1 Eve. Hmmmmm. Looks remarkably like the same story that is in the Bible, the one that the Jews accepted as true more than 3000 years ago. Ain't science a wonderful thing?

[Hebrews 11:6]

Mr. & Mrs. Noah,
Mr. & Mrs. Shem,
Mr. & Mrs. Ham,
Mr. & Mrs. Japheth.

[martin_fierro]

One of the most vexed issues in human prehistory is the timing and number of migrations into the Americas. Dr. Joseph Greenberg ... has proposed three migrations, corresponding to the three language groups of the Americas, known as Amerind, Na-Dene and Eskimo-Aleut.

The Nadine I knew had really messed-up genes, thanks to her Uncle Daddy.

[Mercat]

fascinating. ping to read again later.

[farmfriend]

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[dsc]

Isn't anybody else gobsmacked by this:

"Population geneticists believe that the ancestral human population was very small -- a mere 2,000 breeding individuals, according to a calculation published last December."

Only 2,000 people in the entire world.

A dieback from a larger number, or growth from the original 2?

[xJones]

"We are all Africans at the Y chromosome level and we are really all brothers," Dr. Underhill said.

I just knew there had to be a Kumbaya Moment thrown in.

[viaveritasvita]

You may be interested.


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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks, FO, for the ping.

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[djf]

Gosh! I gotta send them a swab of my cheek! Then I'll have proof positive that I am the reincarnation of Alexander the Great!

[SunkenCiv]

old links, probably expired, emphasis mine:

Fathers can be influential too
by Eleanor Lawrence

Biologists have warned for some years that paternal mitochondria do penetrate the human egg and survive for several hours... Erika Hagelberg from the University of Cambridge, UK, and colleagues... were carrying out a study of mitochondrial DNAs from hundreds of people from Papua-New Guinea and the Melanesian islands in order to study the history of human migration into this region of the western Pacific... People from all three mitochondrial groups live on Nguna. And, in all three groups, Hagelberg's group found the same mutation, a mutation previously seen only in an individual from northern Europe, and nowhere else in Melanesia, or for that matter anywhere else in the world... Adam Eyre-Walker, Noel Smith and John Maynard Smith from the University of Sussex, Brighton, UK confirm this view with a mathematical analysis of the occurrence of the so-called 'homoplasies' that appear in human mitochondrial DNA... reanalysis of a selection of European and African mitochondrial DNA sequences by the Sussex researchers suggests that recombination is a far more likely cause of the homoplasies, as they find no evidence that these sites are particularly variable over all lineages.

Is Eve older than we thought?
by Sanjida O'Connell 15th April 1999

"Two studies prove that the estimation of both when and where humanity first arose could be seriously flawed... The ruler scientists have been using is based on genetic changes in mitochondria, simple bacteria that live inside us and control the energy requirements of our cells. Mitochondria are passed from mother to daughter and their genes mutate at a set rate which can be estimated - so many mutations per 1,000 years... However, these calculations are based upon a major assumption which, according to Prof John Maynard Smith, from Sussex University, is 'simply wrong'. The idea that underpins this dating technique is that mitochondria, like some kinds of bacteria, do not have sex... Two groups of researchers, Prof Maynard Smith and colleagues Adam Eyre-Walker and Noel Smith, also from Sussex, and Dr Erika Hagelberg and colleagues from the University of Otago, New Zealand, have found that mitochondria do indeed have sex - which means that genes from both males and females is mixed and the DNA in their offspring is very different... Prof Maynard Smith and his colleagues stumbled over mitochondria having sex in the process of tracking the spread of bacterial resistance to meningitis... For the 'out-of-Africa' theory to hold water, the first population would have to have been very small. Sexually rampant mitochondria may put paid to this idea. Maynard Smith thinks that the origin of humanity is much older - may be twice as old - which, according to Eyre-Walker, means we are likely to have evolved in many different areas of the world and did not descend from Eve in Africa."

[escapefromboston]

I might not be up on the latest Thomas Jefferson having children with his slave , but wasn't more likely his brother? (not that it really matters)

I'll have to read the rest of this article when I get home

[COBOL2Java]

But geneticists, by tracing the DNA patterns found in people throughout the world, have now identified lineages descended from 10 sons of a genetic Adam and 18 daughters of Eve.

Then how would that make "10 Adams and 18 Eves"? Did Adam and Eve clone themselves? Shouldn't the title be "10 Sons and 18 Daughters?"