Posted on 10/10/2004 9:13:59 AM PDT by finnigan2
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge:
Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was discharged in the '70s, but not honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire. This will blow up in his face before October 15th. On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6-year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years - 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & 5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Cod! e of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972. Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states, "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year." On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per yea r training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled? On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War: 1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. 3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam. 4. Lt . Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry by his own words &actions violated the UCMJ and the US Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ’s Article 104 part 904, and US Code 18 U. S. C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare. The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-president, having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Director, AuthentiSEAL "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs" http://www.authentiseal.org/
What we really need is photos showing Kerry having a 3-way with Jane Fonda and Ho Chi Minh!
Now THAT would be news!!
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/hondisres.pdf
"By direction of the president, and pursuant to reference (a), you are hereby honorably discharge from the U.S. Naval Reserve effective this date."
Feb 16 1978
According to this columnist (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/welcome.shtml ) Kerry is finally going to face the music.
His treasonous actions in 1970-1971 are the subject of an indictment that will be delivered to Senate President Dick Cheney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft tomorrow, October 12th.
That means that he would have received, upon being notified of the end of his 6 year obligation, along with such a notice, including the documents in regard to what materials of the government, he may have in his possession and he must surrender (ID's, passes, gov't documents and records, some uniform components that may have been "borrowed," etc.), he would have also received his certificate of discharge, being Honorable, General or otherwise.
At this point, one issue is simple:
If he did not receive his discharge certificate, then it means that he was not discharged. Indeed, what he might have recieved, on or about Dec. 17, 1972, is some mention that his 6 year obligation had ended, but that, he was being held over for duty as required by the Department of the Navy, for reasons that remain, even now, unclear.
Even an officer who has long been retired, if found to have been involved in some matter for which the Navy is investigating, may be re-activated for the time duration of the investigation and related matters.
John Kerry may have been notified of his completing his 6 year obligation, but there does not seem to be any evidence on the Internet, yet, of a related certificate of discharge.
There is no mention that he "re-upped" anywhere along the time frame of his 1966 - 1972 obligation, so, he must have been held over, or, if discharged in December 1972, the evidence of his discharge is not yet in the public eye.
Possibly, he did re-up and so he did an extra 6 year hitch in the inactive reserves. The 1978 Honorable Discharge could jive with that and/or President Carter's amnesty act.
For now, there does not seem to be any indication that John Kerry re-upped for a second 6 year hitch.
That would lead a person back to what was happening, such that Lt. Kerry did not receive a discharge in December 1972.
I do have a couple of questions for you:
1966 John Kerry signed a 6-year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years - 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves...
Kerry signed up for 6-1/2 years and 6 years. Is this concurrent or consecutive? Did he sign up for the Navy or Naval Reserves? Most say he signed up for Naval Reserves (except Kerry's web site).
If Kerry signed up in February '66 but reported for duty in August '66. When does his service begin?
When should Kerry's have been eligible for discharge? 1972-73 or 1978?
See post #25. I posted a copy of Kerry's February 18, 1878 Honorable Discharge. It appears to be a form document with Kerry's name and the date typed in. Does this form look like the official discharge document?
I have also asked for documentation of the March 2001 discharge but have seen nothing.
Thank you if you can clarify these points.
That action will be a big mistake and a burden for President Bush's re–election.
DD215 just appears to be a correction to Kerry's Jan 3, 1970 release from active duty (when he was transfered to inactive duty). It has nothing to do with his discharge.
His obligation, upon being commissioned, was as an officer, not as an enlisted man.
His obligation under the commission, was, as far as I have read, for 6 years starting from the date of his commission, December 16, 1966.
If he was discharged properly, after completing that 6 year obligation, his certificate of discharge should be dated December 17, 1972.
No such document has yet surfaced.
A 2001 discharge for Kerry would certainly be something that needs to be exposed.
The Swiftees are using 1978 as his discharge date IIRC. It stuck in my mind because I saw a thread on this subject before reading Unfit for Command and noted how the book contradicted it.
Co-author Jerome Corsi is a Freeper so I'm pinging him. Maybe he can shed some light or use this thread as grist for future milling.
Naval officer are never discharged from inactive reserve. They must explictly request release from their Naval commission, from the SecNav under authority of the President.
Even an officer who has long been retired, if found to have been involved in some matter for which the Navy is investigating, may be re-activated for the time
Yes, if they still remain in the Inactive Reserve and have not been reslease from commission by SecNav.
there does not seem to be any evidence on the Internet, yet, of a related certificate of discharge.
Yes there is. It's dated Feb 1978 and I posted a direct link to it above. Why he waited until 1977 or thereabouts to request a release from his commission is unknown, since the request itself is not posted anywhere.
Possibly, he did re-up and so he did an extra 6 year hitch in the inactive reserves.
As I said, commissioned Naval officers don't re-up. They are always and forever Inactive Reserve until they request otherwise.
what was happening, such that Lt. Kerry did not receive a discharge in December 1972.
Because he disn't request it until later, probably 1977. Why he did that is, again, anyone's guess. There may be a good reason why Kerry chose to wait that long, or not. Or it may simply have been procrastination on his part.
The 180 would answer it, because his request would be in the file.
For the 50th time this has been discussed on FR,
Naval officers are not discharged from their commissions, they are released only by formal request to the SecNav.
ping for later
This means that the 1978 discharge would have been an alteration of the original (missing) discharge.
couldn't agree more. The Dem's know how to play the victim, this will play right into their hands.
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