Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 3 October 2004

Various big media television networks ^ | 3 October 2004 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, October 3rd, 2004

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): White House communications director Dan Bartlett; Tad Devine, senior adviser to Kerry-Edwards campaign; Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm; Colorado Gov. Bill Owens.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Senatorial candidates Rep. Brad Carson, D-Okla., and former Rep. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): White House communications director Dan Bartlett; Joe Lockhart, senior adviser to Kerry-Edwards campaign.

THIS WEEK (ABC): National security adviser Condoleeeza Rice; Kerry foreign policy adviser and former U.N. Ambassador Richard Holbrooke.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : National security adviser Condoleeeza Rice; Sens. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and John Warner, R-Va.

The Chris Matthews Show (Various Channels): Gloria Borger, Sam Donaldson, David Brooks, NYT, and Norah O'Donnel.

CSPAN: Luis E. Lugo , Pew Research Center for People & Press; Michael Cromartie , Ethics and Public Policy Center; Shaun Casey , Wesley Theological Seminary.

[Fishtalk]

Okay folks, Got the Best, the absolutest BEST, political exchange of the day. Saw it with mine own eyes and heard it with mine own ears.

Christopher Dodd(d) and John Warner (R) having a little discussion on Wolf Blitzer. Talk comes around to Kerry's grand faux-pas during last week's debate about passing a "global test".

Dodd says that Bush jr should have gotten a great coalition together like his Dad did in '91. "Of course that wasn't pre-emption," Dodd said, "but it's the standard". I paraphrase slightly here.

So Warner says he doesn't know why Dodd is mentioning the 91 Gulf war when both Dodd and Kerry voted against it. BINGO for Warner.

Then Dodd goes on trying to explain Kerry's freudian slip about that global test thing. Warner interupts him and says 'You shouldn't have to 'interpret' what the man said. Kerry said what he said."

Then Dodd disavows he is 'interpreting' but it is obvious what Kerry 'MEANT' YES, Dodd used THAT very word....hahahahaha. Now Dodd is telling us what Kerry meant, paint me blue and put me on a stick. Then denies he is INTERPRETING!

What a great exchange.

I try to imagine Dodd and Kennedy and their 'waitress sandwich' and I get ill.

Let me get in a plug for my Blog, which is posted everyday to Free Republic in the "Blogger" section.

Monday's entry is always titled "The Week Just Passed" and is self-explanatory. I always include a link to this thread and tomorrow's entry is a Blockbuster if I do say so myself. Including my take on last week's debate and how the cyberspace Bloggers handed the Dems their happy talking point this week that Bush 'won' that debate.

Check it out tomorrow morning, assuming the site is up and running.

[mathluv]

As Rush said, the dims are showing a video of W's facial expressions. The pubs are showing a video of sKerry's words.

[Fishtalk]

How embarrassing...I did mean the Dem talking points that KERRY won last week's debate.

Anyway, here's my Blog's url if you want to check it out

http://patfish.blogspot.com/

[finallyatexan]

It's "MICHIGANDERS"
Granholm is an idiot - glad we left the state.

[Mo1]

I think heckling libs and pinkos disrupting the debate will help our man.

Should we take a bet that Code Pink will show up again

[MKM1960]

BIG BARF ALERT: The wannabe Secretary of State is trying to spin Kerry's global test state statement on FNC now.

[CFC__VRWC]

Well, the way I see it, everyone on this site knows what Medea Benjamin looks like, so surely she could be kept out by the Secret Service.

Then of course she immediately runs to the media , and they unquestioningly pick up her water and respond with a barrage of outraged editorials, accusing the administration of trying to do what they are doing, packing the audience. Only the adminstration is packing the audience by "trampling all over the First Amendment rights of legitimate voices of dissent."

I say bring it on. Let Medea Benjamin help her candidate by showing the public the true face of the democratic party. Let John Kerry be seen with the people who represent the core of his support, a bunch of flag-burners, appeaseniks, moral cowards and pathological America-haters.

[mathluv]

I love W's Texas twang. I normally love a southern drawl, but edwards' voice makes me cringe!!!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

DNC Video of debate BACKFIRES! LA Times Poll Bush's Favorability Up

http://www.ejsmithweb.com/fr/faces_fr_fast.wmv

Watch this DNC video to see what an idiot Kerry is! LOL

LA TIMES POLL SUNDAY: Bush's favorability rating among debate viewers actually improved slightly (although within the survey's margin of error). Before debate, 51% of watchers viewed Bush favorably, 49% unfavorably; after, numbers were 52% and 47%...


KERRY VS. KERRY
Kerry’s Top Ten Iraq Flip Flops
From First Debate

ONE: Claimed “I’ll Never Give A Veto To Any Country Over Our Security.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Preemption Must Pass “Global Test” First. “No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Would Wait On French And Russians To Defend America. SEN. JOHN KERRY: “I would have done what was necessary to know that you had exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians.” (MSNBC’s “Hardball,” 10/20/03)

TWO: Claimed “Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Said “Greatest Threat” Was Saddam’s “Miscalculation,” Not “Actual” WMDs. KERRY: “I would disagree with John McCain that it’s the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it’s what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that – that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/15/02)

THREE: Claimed “This President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error Of Judgment. And Judgment Is What We Look For In The President Of The United States Of America.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Questioned Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam’s Capture Didn’t Help U.S. Security. “Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don’t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president.” (CNN’s “Capital Gang,” 12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, “Dean Faces More Criticism,” [New York] Newsday, 12/17/03)

FOUR: Complained “We Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of The Cost: $200 Billion – $200 Billion That Could Have Been Used For Health Care, For Schools, For Construction, For Prescription Drugs For Seniors, And It’s In Iraq.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Pledged To Fund Reconstruction With “Whatever Number” Of Dollars It Took. NBC’S TIM RUSSERT: “Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “No. I think we should increase it.” RUSSERT: “Increase funding?” KERRY: “Yes.” RUSSERT: “By how much?” KERRY: “By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/31/03)

FIVE: Claimed “You Don’t Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That They Need.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Said It Would Be Reckless And “Irresponsible” To Vote Against Funding For Troops. LOS ANGELES TIMES’ DOYLE McMANUS: “If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?” KERRY: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they’re on the right track. There’s a way to do this properly. But I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/14/03)

ü Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction Package That Included “Money For Body Armor For Soldiers.” (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay; “Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures,” The Associated Press, 10/17/03)

ü ‘“I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It,’ [Kerry] Said.”(Glen Johnson, “Kerry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops,” The Boston Globe, 3/17/04)

SIX: Said Americans In Iraq Not Dying For “Mistake.” PBS’ JIM LEHRER: “Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?” KERRY: “No, and they don’t have to, providing we have the leadership that we put – that I’m offering.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Earlier In Debate, Kerry Called Iraq War “Mistake.” “We can’t leave a failed Iraq. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü “But The President Made A Mistake In Invading Iraq.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

SEVEN: Said Knowing What He Knows Now, “Would Not” Have Authorized Use Of Force. “What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are his words. Now, I would not.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Said Knowing What He Knows Now, “Would Have Voted For The Authority.” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it’s the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively. I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has.” (CNN’s “Inside Politics,” 8/9/04)

EIGHT: Claimed “The President Says That I’m Denigrating These Troops. I Have Nothing But Respect For The British, Tony Blair, And For What They’ve Been Willing To Do.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Dismissed Coalition Partners As “Window Dressing” And Claimed They’re Not Sharing Burden Of War And Reconstruction. CNN’S BILL HEMMER: “The White House would say that dozens of countries are helping now in the effort on the ground in Iraq and they are engaged with the U.N., as well, how would more international involvement prevent the violence we’re seeing today?” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “Well, the fact is that those countries are really window dressing to the greatest degree. And they weren’t there in the beginning when we went in, and they’re not carrying the cost of this war.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 3/2/04)

NINE: Claimed “I’ve Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam Hussein Was A Threat.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Said, “We Now Know That Iraq Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, And Posed No Imminent Threat To Our Security.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04)

TEN: Claimed “My Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat. He Needed To Be Disarmed.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü “Saying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn’t Make It So.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks To Democrat National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/29/04)

ü “I Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Fox News’ “Fox News Sunday,” 12/14/03)

[BlueOx]

Someone may have posted this already ... but it has occurred to me (to our shame) we are TOO QUICK to fall into the Democrat trap.

Don't we know one of the 'tools' in Bush's favor that has worked over and over again is to "let the opposting camp appear they are giving him the knock out punch, let them pontificate, let them get all puffed up with their own sense of superority" ... then Bush springs the trap they've walked into.

I'm hopeing that all the negativity on FR during debate night was from those who have not followed BUSH for years. Don't underestimate the man. The vote isn't over yet ... I have confidence that Kerry will live to regret the debates (his strong suit it is said)

BTW ... drove to Fargo, ND yesterday (50 miles). I live in STRONG DFL country (Democratic-Farmer-Labor). Didn't a see a single Kerry/Edwards sign along the way ... Many, Many, Many BUSH-CHENNEY!! I know the Kerry/Edwards signs exist because I see a few from time-to-time ... but they are pretty sparse.

[Future Useless Eater]

Chris Wallace at 33 minutes into the FoxNews Sunday broadcast:

>>"Let's start with the big news that today, of that Newsweek poll that shows
Senator Kerry now leading the President by two points ...
The L.A. Times ALSO shows Kerry UP by two points."

FoxNews failed to put the LA TIMES result up on the screen because there
was no such poll.

Chris, what ficticious LA TIMES poll were you quoting?
The latest LATIMES poll showed BUSH up by SIX points over Kerry in a 3-way
race with Nader among likely voters.

I wonder if FoxNews feels any obligation to correct errors from their new annointed one?

[Aeronaut]

Don't underestimate the man.

Don't misunderestimate the man.

;-)

[BlueOx]

Thanks!!! Pontification and writing aren't my strong suit ... that's why I mostly lurk. Once in a while I get irked enough to spout off ... hehehehehe

[Aeronaut]

Well to piggy-back on your observation, while walking my dog through the neighborhood yseterday, I saw eight BC04's and only one sign for Lurch. Later in the day my next door neighbor put up a BC04, so it's at least nine to one. In MINNESOTA!

[BlueOx]

You’re from Minnesota? KEWL ... You know how awesome it is to see BUSH-CHENEY signs flourishing in this State.

[austingirl]

Chris Wallace has ruined FOx News Sunday for me.

[Not gonna take it anymore]

I didn't watch the news shows today.

But, did kerry cheat during the debate?

Please follow the link.

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php

[thirst4truth]

My college age daughter and her roomates in Eugene, Oregon listened to the debate on the radio and are definitely voting for Bush, all of them. My daughter said, " Bush was nicer, gentle and way more likable than Kerry, who sounded mean and full of himself."
Way cool!!!

[Barset]

Thanks, Tonkin. Great summary. b.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Not my summary, just cut and paste