FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate - Thread 2 - Here we go!

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Thread 1 - Pre-Debate discussion

[Finny]

Yeah! He said something about the "Pottery Barn rule ... you break it, you fix it." WHAT A MAROON!! You break it, you BUY it -- you don't "fix" shattered ceramics. Kerry is such an ass. As far as I'm concerned, Dubya is dusting Kerry's butt.

[Solar Wind]

"I CAN'T BELEIVE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT KERRY GIVING IRAN NUCLEAR FUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M I DRUNK OR DID HE SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yes he did say that. Kerry's plan is to then have the fuel monitored by UN inspectors. I cannot imagine he was so clueless as to advocate that in public. Saddam ran circles around the UN inspectors and they knew it.

Someone said earlier that Kerry said a lot of stupid things tonight and this was one of them.

Mr Sol

[netmilsmom]

With as fast as FR was and as long as it was taking to loas anyway, I ran into graphics a big twice during the debate thread. Thought nothing of it.

Geez, it's 1:00
I've gotta go to bed.

[Iam1ru1-2]

"Hey kerry, if you don't do anything nothing gets done and the problem is still there. The most important thing is to do something before it is too late."

Or to put it another way, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[cyncooper]

I have to say that I have found your perception of this debate completely off the mark from beginning to end and as time has passed since it ended I think my perception is becoming the majority view and yours is being demonstrated incorrect.

That question from Lehrer was not a "silver platter" question. It was an offensive question to ask of a president and President Bush addressed it with dignity and did not take the bait to get down and dirty.

I know you're a big Bush fan and will chalk it up to nerves clouding your judgement.

[Rennes Templar]

I just got home. Missed it all. Who won?

[SolomoninSouthDakota]

Yes. I saw that and it was very informative. Thanks just the same for the heads up!

[gigi]

"I've never seen the charm or style in Bill Clinton --- and I've never thought he was at all likeable --- it's hard to know with many voters what they see in someone. Clinton turned my stomach, I thought he was revolting, boorish --- a total buffoon."

THANK YOU!!!

[CyberAnt]

That's all right .. let them have their joy tonight .. they'll be crying on 11/3.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

A couple of other people made that point, too. Apparently the message isn't getting through.

As a matter of fact, I've got a graphic for the folks making a federal case out of it:

[netmilsmom]

>>"Pottery Barn rule ... you break it, you fix it." WHAT A MAROON!! <<

"Oh my Lovey, I'll talk about the Ceramic Shack and they'll think I'm just like them. Now I'm off to windsurf! Kiss, Kiss!!!"

Ug.

[Blowtorch]

Give it two days and everyone will say Bush won the debate.

I am beginning to think so as well. That's why I say Kerry won the debate before he lost it.

[MagnumRancid]

This nation would survive a Kerry presidency. We are a great nation much more in spite of our leaders than because of them. A Kerry presidency would last 4 years. That's the blink of an eye in historical perspective.

[COEXERJ145]

Well Bush has taken a hit in the Iowa Electronic Markets.

[gigi]

LOL!

[fortheDeclaration]

I think most voters are going to vote on perception. Bush blew it big time tonight and I think it's going to be hard for him to overcome it. I mean I love Bush and will do everything within my power to help him win I just think the game may be over. Bush looked like a deer caught in the headlights tonight.

Really?

So people are going to vote a month from now on perception?

No, they are going to remember one man willing to make decisions to defend them and another worried about 'global testing'

If you guys were around in 1941 we would be speaking Geman and Japanese!

[SolomoninSouthDakota]

Good point!
Pres. Bush really did hit him hard on being unfit in response to the charachter question. Kerry's response was to accuse Pres. Bush of being pig-headed basically. That was a VERY DAMAGING exchange for Kerry IMHO.

[Cold Heat]

Kerry never has lost a debate. I doubt he ever will on style points.

But, tonight Bush held his own and had Kerry on the ropes during the first half.

Bush then closed well which brought him back to even.

In a fight, the challenger has to win decisively and if not the tie goes to the one holding the title belt.

Bush won the debate by these rules.

Kerry will likely win the second debate on domestic policy. Democrats always do better of this area as that is their game.

Bush has a good chance to win decisively on the third and last debate during the open forum where the debate questions will once again turn to foreign policy and will be asked and answered in a forum that is good for Bush.

In the end, as in most recent elections, the voters will not move much. Their minds are made up or very close to it. The debates rarely sway anyone.

I don't care what these talking head idiots say. Elections do not pivot on debates.

As a Bush voter, we know this guy and we knew he would not out class Kerry. But, we also know that out here in the real world, fast talkin smart asses don't get much appreciation.

Ever!

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I like you! You're funny and smart.

LOL - oh my. This never happens. (Check's in the mail.)

[Don_Ret_USAF]

Did anyone catch Bush remark, that we will stay the course with the all volunteer forces. This killed the Secret Draft and no response from Kerry. Bush did OK tonight - Kerry boring.