Posted on 09/30/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
Thread 1 - Pre-Debate discussion
The Candidate made a number of damning statements. The ones I can easily recall include:
1. "The Global test." Americans want a President to act decisively to protect them, not one who is scared to make a move without Kofi's permission.
2. Whining about Bush's failure to sign Kyoto.
3. Stating he will give nuclear material to Iran.
4. Stating "Iraq was a mistake," followed by "I will stay in Iraq."
5. Stating he will unilaterally stop all us nuclear weapon development! Saying he will end the work on the nuclear bunker-buster program.
Soul Seeker, I'm in exactly the same place as you are. In 2000, I did care, but not 3% of what I care now. IN 2000, I could watch it dispassionately, without caring as much.
Tonight, I couldn't even really watch it, because I was so nervous and cared so much. I have watched the sound bites, and did follow it on FR. My heart sank every time somebody said W wasn't doing well. But I'm a true believer and can't abide Kerry - nothing would change my vote. Kerryites obviously hang on everything their candidate does (can't believe there are any of those, but there must be).
Had I been looking at it to make a decision one way or the other, my viewpoint would have been totally different. Bottom line - you're right, partisans look more at style probably than undecideds.
John Kerry just PO'ed about 20% to 30% of his own anti-war supporters tonight by what he said in the debates.
Is it just me or am I the only one who did not actually here JFK ask the voters for their vote?
I was trainied in sales that if you are pitching ANYTHING you have to close the sale by directly asking for the sale. Bush made the classic close and asked for the public's vote. Kerry was too busy being a critic and neglected the close unless I missed it. People want to be asked. I think that alone hurts Kerry. He wasn't even focused on the voter.
Something tells me that if I zoned out, the swing voters probably joined me. I seriously doubt that enough people saw the whole thing to seriously affect the election one way or another.
Bush seemed plum tuckered out. He missed some very easy hits.
Carl Cameron just reported that the Kerry Camp plans on using clips of Bush's facial expressions from tonights debate
That is against the rules
The FOX all stars are wrong. Bush won.
I also wanted President Bush to zero in on Kerry's jugular.
We on FreeRepublic spend so much time dissecting Kerry that it becomes second nature to us. Throw out a Kerry B.S. line and BAM, a Freeper can be on Kerry like a pitbull on a porkchop. Perhaps, a Freeper would have debated Kerry better.
However, President Bush spends his time being Commander-in-Chief paying attention to the World instead of paying attention to John Kerry's flip flops.
Maybe Bush was advised not to go for Kerry's jugular for "focus group reasons". Who knows.
All I know is that, when Bush would say that Kerry's flip flops "Send the wrong message to the troops, sends the wrong message America's allies and sends the wrong message the Iraqis", I would mentally scream "Why don't you say that it also sends a wrong message of weakness to America's enemies!"
Most days I think we all should. :-)
>>Sorry, Sinkspur, but Kerry confidently referred to knowing the question would be coming up later in the debate.
>Yes, Kerry did say that!< <<
I think it is time to get the Pajama Posse on this one. Anyone have a copy of the debate. Start getting it into the Blogsphere!!!
You felt the need to post that crap to me twice, twenty minutes apart?
Actually, I think the reason was that posts were coming so fast and furious (with and without graphics) is the reason for the slow going. Early on I started from post #1 speed reading. It was slow going BEFORE the first Tonkin post. Finally gave up and hopped a couple hundred. Still, by the time closing remarks were made, I was at post 1750 and 2038 posts were listed.
"Kerry talked louder and faster and that is being translated into "he won the debate". "
I listened to him talk and talk, but his hand gestures were very weird & distracting. Someone must have told him to use his hands alot when talking and he really overdid it. There was one point when he had both hands closed and then moved one thumb and then another to the front when he was speaking.
I guess I'm being superficial but it just really struck me as weird. My husband started copying Kerry's hand gestures and singing "Macarena" during the debate!
...and which would we rather have in the long run. Everyone in America knows GW's speaking style isn't "Lincolnesque", but they know his heart also, and know he will work for America and not depend on so-called allies who cut and run whenever the road gets hard. He won't WAVER!!!
You are exactly right.
President Bush just laid a trap for Mr. Kerry and his campaign, and the lies, faux facts, and innuendos that he spewed out, will soon be soundly discredited. This is a game of chess, not checkers.
"Have you been playing the drinking game?"
No, have you?
I waited till after the debate was over BEFORE I started slamming Kerry.
And I'll do it everyday, like I have since early May.
Till Nov 2nd
There's about 250 new FReepers DAILY plus lurkers.
They need to be educated.
Exactly. Since Bush has the lead, he doesn't need to go into a brawl. All he had to do was simply make sure Kerry didn't score a knockout. As they say in Bush lingo, "Mission Accomplished."
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