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FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate - Thread 2 - Here we go!

Posted on 09/30/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

Thread 1 - Pre-Debate discussion


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; debate; debates; electionpresident; firstdebate; globalpoints; kerry
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To: annyokie

Wait and see.


2,861 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:09 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: sinkspur
Maybe I'm overreacting

I admire your judgement, but, respectfully, you're overreacting.

I share your frustration that the President didn't mop the floor with Kerry, but he did what he had to do, and that's enough.

2,862 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:09 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (We ARE the New Media.)
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To: annyokie
Our beloved President didn't redeem himself.

Redeem himself from WHOM?

Perhaps you thought Bush was going to kill Kerry tonight?

He did just fine.

2,863 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:09 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Cold Heat
Kerry pivots on a dime and can blow your mind with complete paragraphs of bullcrap that is not even on point, but sounds intelligent.

I agree. I thought Kerry came off as a "Used car salesman".

2,864 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:15 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Have a burger and a beer and enjoy your liquid vegetables.)
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To: nopardons

my 2 cents:

I think this debate will be received somewhat like the first Bush/Gore debate was. W lost the debate on the "classic debate scoring system" (whatever that is) but he will be well received well in the livingrooms of America. I think we all can more closly relate to W and no one likes a Monday mornng QB.

I must say I wanted to see W pound the specifics of opposing statments Kerry has made in the past, he didn't point out many of the unexplainables that Kerry has dug himself into.

Pundants will parse all that was said tonite and we'll find that W now has even more ammunition to use. I just wish POTUS would have taken advantage of this moment better.


2,865 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:19 PM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: MNJohnnie
"And you people always forget this one fact. The JURY (i.e. The American people), not the Debate coaches decides the election.

John Kerry lost the election tonight people. You heard it here first."

Good points...

Upon further reflection, I believe Dubya scored with his compassion, sincerity, and conviction.

Kerry demonstrated far less sincerity, conveyed little warmth, and came off as smarmy.

Yeah, maybe you're right. Dubya could have won :-D

2,866 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:42 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Joy Angela

JA, he was talking about visiting after the USSR imploded. But he made a mistake that if Bush had made it, the MSM would have barbecued him.


2,867 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:43 PM PDT by Lee Shore (Oy, vay!)
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To: WoodstockCat
Unfortunately the American public seems to forget rather quickly and they are more interested in what have you done for me today!
2,868 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:44 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: bogeybob
This is a free opportunity to have 45 minutes to drive home YOUR message to YOUR supporters. You talk to YOUR supporters and YOU deliver the messages that YOU have determined YOU want to deliver.

Bless you!

2,869 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:02 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: 4bushinOH
Kerry came across as smooth and articulate in stating what he wants to do...We don't agree with it so we may have missed it! He said it's possible to start pulling out in 6 months...he wants summits and discussions instead of a** kicking...to the uninformed that will sound good..

As someone who was once, liberal, and stupid I would tend to think that I (and others like me) would have been impressed by the fact that Kerry could manage the best of both worlds--winning and yet minimizing American losses. Of course, now I realize that formulating such plans is as easy as making a grand slam bid in bridge--just say "seven" and the name of a suit. Of course, coming up with plans that actually work is often another story.

I am somewhat concerned, though, that many people may come away with the impression that Kerry has a meaningful plan. Maybe I am a young and impulsive grasshopper, but I don't want this election to be close. I want this election to be sufficiently decisive that nobody can ever call Bush an "illegitimate president".

2,870 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:04 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I was rewatching the replay on C-Span and when Kerry spouted off about "this president doesn't understand the stakes in Iraq, Europe doesn't want a civil war on their doorsteps", I had to turn it off. Kerry is effin' nuts. God help us if he gets into power. I frankly can't even stand to listen to the man--he makes no sense.


2,871 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:04 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: tuckrdout
Bush did not look "in command" of anything! How does he think his "out of touch" performance tonight will play with terrorists?!

You're the one who said shame on the president, and stated that he was prideful and unprepared. Therefore, I have nothing to say to you - because those comments offended me greatly. Good night.

2,872 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:05 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (The police never think it's as funny as you do.)
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To: nopardons; Admin Moderator
On FOX? No,they absolutely did not give it to Kerry! Either you weren't watching,or you're lying.

knock off the personal attacks. The panel gave it to kerry.

You're about to get mail.

2,873 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:10 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftist are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Just mythoughts

Yep. TV bricks might have been useful tonight.


2,874 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:15 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

No I think folks figured W would do a touch better, especially on Iraq. It's frustrating, the President is honest, righteous, personable, you see he speaks from the heart... but lack of eloquence and articulation will always be his barrier to greatness. The President missed some great opportunities, and I sort of sensed he had some good retorts half formulated but just couldn't get them out in time or for fear of making a mistake. As so many of us point out though, it is the fact we can see and perceive directly this man's character, that honest and sometimes simple transparency, that is what will win this election. Right man, right time. God bless him.


2,875 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:17 PM PDT by truthchaser
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To: Howlin
I saw that!! Fact checking; imagine that........LOL.

Proof the media doesn't trust Kerry to tell the truth

2,876 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:19 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

Knock it off and grow up.


2,877 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:26 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Unfortunately Kerry had lost his orange hue...

Bush did not look "in command" of anything! How does he think his "out of touch" performance tonight will play with terrorists?!


2,878 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:33 PM PDT by tuckrdout (Grant Teri Schindler (Schiavo) her wishes: Divorce and LIFE!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Karen liked the way the President showed his true self!


2,879 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: annyokie

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure he did,just as algore won EVERY SINGLE DEBATE IN 2000.


2,880 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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