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Carter foresees unfair vote in Florida
AFP ^ | 09/27/2004

Posted on 09/27/2004 7:27:50 AM PDT by Phlap

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A repetition of problems that plagued the 2000 US presidential election is likely, former US president and veteran elections monitor Jimmy Carter said, charging that "basic international requirements" for a fair vote are missing in Florida.

Reforms passed in the wake of the debacle have not been implemented due to lack of funding and political disputes, Carter observed in a hotly-worded opinion piece in Monday's Washington Post.

"The disturbing fact is that a repetition of the problems of 2000 now seems likely," he said.

"Some basic international requirements for a fair election are missing in Florida," including non-partisan electoral officials and uniformity in voting procedures, he said.

Florida's top election official four years ago also chaired the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign in the state, and her successor is showing "the same strong bias," Carter charged.

"A fumbling attempt has been made recently to disqualify 22,000 African Americans (likely Democrats), but only 61 Hispanics (likely Republicans), as alleged felons," he said.

Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood has also appeared eager to get independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader (news - web sites) on this year's state ballot, "knowing that two-thirds of his votes in the previous election came at the expense" of Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites), Carter went on.

"She ordered Nader's name be included on absentee ballots even before the state Supreme Court ruled on the controversial issue," Carter said.

Florida's governor, President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s brother, has "taken no steps to correct these departures from principles of fair and equal treatment or to prevent them in the future," he said.

"It is unconscionable to perpetuate fraudulent or biased electoral practices in any nation," Carter wrote.

"With reforms unlikely at this late stage of the election, perhaps the only recourse will be to focus maximum public scrutiny on the suspicious process in Florida."

The Carter Center has monitored more than 50 international elections, most recently in Venezuela and Indonesia.

Carter, a Democrat, led a bi-partisan commission charged with recommending changes to US electoral processes following the 2000 vote, ultimately decided by the US Supreme Court, which halted recounts of contested ballots in Florida after a weeks-long draw.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
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To: Phlap
Some basic international requirements for a fair election are missing in Florida

Since when do we care about International Requirements?

141 posted on 09/27/2004 10:19:26 AM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: Phlap

Gee. You could almost see the hand up the shirt, moving his lips.


142 posted on 09/27/2004 10:20:27 AM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: trentk
Phlap, you are looking at this in isolation, and through simple eyes, read my above post, there is much more going on here.

The UN is already in Iraq and preparing to delcare the elections invalid, it will be hard to disagree with their report as the danger to voters will be to great, and areas of the country are lawless. Europe must keep Iraq from succeeding if they are to bring the US Military into submission, much is at stake, don't look at it from such a simple point of view ...
143 posted on 09/27/2004 10:22:44 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Phlap
"...veteran elections monitor Jimmy Carter said...'basic international requirements' for a fair vote are missing in Florida..."

What is hilarious to me is that "Veterans Elections Monitor" is a moniker he probably relishes. What disturbs me though is the fact that Jimmy Carter is obviously not of the belief that the USA is a Sovereign independent nation and doesn't need to abide by international voting requirements. Jimmy Carter is a sycophantic democratic pansy, towing the 'Rat line that Republicans are against black people, which greatly offends me as an American, because nothing could be further from the truth. It is the Republican Party that stands for taking risks in order to get ahead in life, unlike the 'Rat party, which enjoys telling people "let the Gov't take care of you because you're not smart enough to learn how to earn enough money to take care of yourself". How embarrassing is that? I think Republicans really need to do a better job of exploiting that fact.

144 posted on 09/27/2004 10:26:28 AM PDT by Pagey ("How did Hillary Clinton become a Senator"? Have you ever asked yourself that question?)
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To: RonF

I think I read it wrong.


145 posted on 09/27/2004 10:51:12 AM PDT by KDD
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To: BenLurkin
I guess the democrat anti-americans were disappointed that the nation didn't break into armed conflict in 2000/2001.

Umm...I think WE have most of the guns. Only one way any wide-spread armed conflict is gonna turn out... We win!

146 posted on 09/27/2004 11:03:21 AM PDT by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: RonF

In CA you do not need to show a DL. Of course illegals can get them. All you need to do here is to say your name. Your name should be on that list. That is it.


147 posted on 09/27/2004 11:07:36 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: RonF

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2000/cyb20001114.asp

I know she co-chaired Jebbs campaign.


148 posted on 09/27/2004 11:16:21 AM PDT by KDD
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To: RonF
And if she'd refused to certify the vote, the Fla. Republican Legislature was prepared to do it per the Fl Constitution. If it became partisan, then Gore got the ball rolling by challenging the final results.Palm Bch. election officials were the democrat partisans, led by Lapore.??(sp)

There was partisanship on all sides.

149 posted on 09/27/2004 11:25:53 AM PDT by KDD
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To: KDD

It's Gore's job to be partisan; it shouldn't be the election official's.


150 posted on 09/27/2004 11:28:34 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Phlap
CARTER DECRIES FLA. ELECTION CONDITIONS 
WINS News ^ | 9/27/04

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former President Jimmy Carter says that despite changes designed to eliminate voting problems in Florida - where the disputed 2000 presidential election was decided by only a few hundred votes - conditions for a fair election in that state still don't exist. "The disturbing fact is that a repetition of the problems of 2000  [ that not enough dead and multiple democrat voters voted ] now seems likely," Carter wrote in an opinion piece published Monday in the Washington Post. .............

151 posted on 09/27/2004 11:31:19 AM PDT by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: Phlap

This sorry person needs to be put in a home somewhere.

He has got to be the worst president of all time.


152 posted on 09/27/2004 11:32:41 AM PDT by Beckwith (John Kerry, sign the Form 180 - petition at http://www.SignForm180.com)
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To: RonF

The thread was about Carter.

Show me where Katherine Harris broke the law. All ballots had to be certified by the Secretary of State by 5 P.M. seven days after the election. No wiggle room. Her actions followed the law.

Someone has to certify elections. If it is an elected post, that person will very probably be a member of a political party. As such, that person probably attends conventions of their party, contributes financially to election campaigns, speaks out in favor of the candidates of their party, etc. Should we rule out all members of political parties from holding the office that certifies elections?

If the person who certifies elections is an appointed person, then it could be argued that they owe something to the person that appointed them, who was doubtless a member of a political party.

In the case of certifying an election, the appearance of impropriety is essentially impossible to avoid.


153 posted on 09/27/2004 11:34:46 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
"With reforms unlikely at this late stage of the election, perhaps the only recourse will be to focus maximum public scrutiny on the suspicious process in Florida," Carter said.

Good deal Jimmy, maybe this time we can focus on all the snow birds voting twice and all the dead people voting for your party!

154 posted on 09/27/2004 11:39:12 AM PDT by rocksblues (Sorry John, we remember and will never forget your treason!)
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To: Phlap

155 posted on 09/27/2004 11:43:03 AM PDT by petercooper (All I wanted to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: rustbucket
The thread was about Carter.

True. But I raised a side issue that I though was germane to the general issue of fair elections.

Show me where Katherine Harris broke the law. ...

Why? I never asserted that she did. Both public and private entities have conflict-of-interest laws and regulations precisely because it's important to avoid both actual conflicting actions and the appearance that someone might have committed one.

Someone has to certify elections. If it is an elected post, that person will very probably be a member of a political party. As such, that person probably attends conventions of their party, ... [etc.]All good points. But active participation in a party is one thing. Participating in organizing an election for a particular partisan interest while being the head of the body that is supposed to regulate that election is going too far, in my NSHO. It's like having the head of Planned Parenthood in charge of an state's abortion clinic regulatory board.

In the case of certifying an election, the appearance of impropriety is essentially impossible to avoid.

100% Yes. But you can do a lot better than this.

156 posted on 09/27/2004 11:50:18 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Humvee

"In Florida we are required to have two forms of ID in order to vote."

Really? Do you have to show them before voting or is this just to be registered? Having voted only in CA and WA where it's almost illegal to ask for ID (or maybe it is illegal) I think it's wonderful to require it.


157 posted on 09/27/2004 12:29:07 PM PDT by b-cubed (one Washingtonian that wants to move back to California. Hard to believe, huh?)
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To: RonF
If you want to change the situation, then work to change the Florida constitution to outlaw the situation you are concerned about. Personally, I wouldn't bother about it unless there were evidence or strong suspicion of actual impropriety.

As an aside, the Florida Department of Elections, which is a division of the Florida Department of State formerly run by Katherine Harris, has a well organized web site. See: Florida DOE and Election Fraud Letter.

PS, Glenda Hood, the current Florida Secretary of State who wrote the linked letter on cracking down on election fraud is a Republican. Horrors. (/sarcasm) If she is going to fight voter fraud, then more power to her.

158 posted on 09/27/2004 1:00:17 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Phlap

This crap from the guarantor of the Hugo Chavez debacle !


159 posted on 09/27/2004 1:05:01 PM PDT by jimt
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To: KDD; RonF
Harris was the highest ranking woman in Florida in 2000- the only one holding a statewide elected office. Shew did NOT chair Jeb's campaign- they ran in the same elction. But ALL the Republican elected officials were Bush-Cheney 2000 co-chairs- she was one of many, and had no official duties in his campaign. Yes, she went to New England- along with 200+ Republicans to campaign in FEBRUARY for W. He won the Florida Presidential primary in March- so ALL the delegates to the RNC Convention were Bush delegates- and all the statewide elected officials were delegates. The arguments are straw men to smear her.
Ron- I don't know what state you live in- but here in Florida elections are conducted by the 67 county supervisors- all but one elected in partisan elections, and mostly Democrats. They design the ballots, select the voting system from the ones approved by the state, oversee the count of votes, handle disputed votes, and send the final tally for certification. The role of the Secretary of State- whether appointed or elected- is purely a ministerial role of officially proclaiming the winner as determined by the county vote reports.
I was there- I know this. Do NOT fall prey to the DNC lie machine. Harris and Hood merely follow the law as written- the problem was caused by Gore's lawyers, who didn't know Florida law- and fought the election certification process. If they had not- they could have filed a protest- and forced a statewide recount- legally- rather than the selective manipulation in counties they controlled-- in counties GORE WON. His position was legally flawed- and he ran out the clock fighting a losing battle. He gave up rather than throw the race into the House.
The idea that people without party affiliation are non partisan is fantasy. Instead- remember that Republicans follow the law- whereas Democrats see it as a starting point for negotiations. Conservatives in responsible positions usually behave responsibly- whatever the job. Nonpartisan elections are just a tool to slip liberals into power without the people knowing their true philosophy. Goebbels was right- lies repeated often enough become the truth. The truth about election 2000 is buried under all the lies. Sorry about the tone- but the those weeks in 2000 scarred me- I was too close to it, too frustrated, too angry- and it still hurts when the lies surface. GG
160 posted on 09/27/2004 7:29:48 PM PDT by Goldwater Girl
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