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In Rush to Air, CBS Quashed Memo Worries
Washington Post ^ | 09/20/2004 | Howard Kurtz, Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/18/2004 7:27:43 PM PDT by jhouston

In the early-morning hours of Sept. 8, Dan Rather was preparing to fly to Washington for a crucial interview in the Old Executive Office Building, but torrential rain kept him in New York.

White House communications director Dan Bartlett had agreed to talk to "60 Minutes," but only on condition that the CBS program provide copies of what were being billed as newly unearthed memos indicating that President Bush had received preferential treatment in the National Guard. The papers were hand-delivered at 7:45 a.m. CBS correspondent John Roberts, filling in for Rather, sat down with Bartlett at 11:15.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; kurtz; michaeldobbs; napalminthemorning; rather; tang
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To: Cboldt
Not a suicide bombing. More like a Palestinian "work" accident. They were putting their bomb together and it went off in their face.
161 posted on 09/18/2004 9:45:34 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: okie01; jhouston; Biblebelter; Enchante; t2buckeye

> ... there is still Danny Boy's "unimpeachable source"
> to be identified.

My theory on that, is the White House angle.

CBS gave the memos to the WH, who declined to impeach them.

CBS mistook rope-a-doping for confirmation.

Ergo, the author wasn't impeached,
so they must be unimpeachable.


162 posted on 09/18/2004 9:46:49 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Elvis van Foster
Not only is Rather destroyed by this, his groomed lefty replacement Roberts has his hands dirty too. He was an anti-Bush hack out of the same mold as his boss.

All those years of Rather holding up in front of Roberts pictures of Nixon (Bad), Clinton (Good), Reagan (Bad), DNC (Good), Bush (Bad), Kerry (Good), gone to waste? Oh, the humanity!

163 posted on 09/18/2004 9:47:37 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS's story is sinking faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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To: okie01
If he had already created a video making these allegations, then why had he not volunteered to repeat them with Dan Rather earlier.

One of the first stories on this.
This is the first time Barnes has told his story publicly, but for years, the president has been hounded by questions about how he got in the National Guard.

They were claiming it was the first time he told it.
164 posted on 09/18/2004 9:47:47 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: okie01
On September 2, the documents were faxed from Kinko's.
Mapes contacted CBS on September 3.

Please clarify that point. The article says that Mapes advised CBS on Sept 3 that her source had given her the documents. But if the documents were faxed to CBS from Kinkos on the 2nd ...

Anyway, the details escape me there.

165 posted on 09/18/2004 9:47:58 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: counterpunch

see here for video from ol' Ben Barnes:

http://media.greaterdemocracy.org/


166 posted on 09/18/2004 9:49:54 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: holdonnow

Rather's daughter worked for Barnes a couple years back, and Dan showed up to one of his Dem events to give a speech at his daughter's request. He caught some flak for it at the time.


167 posted on 09/18/2004 9:50:23 PM PDT by topdog1
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To: All
a few points

1 USA today obtained 6 documents the day after the broadcast, did they get them from Burkett or DNC/Kerry. They may squeal first.

2 two documents were not mentioned or posted by CBS..one was definitely not authenticated..clear deception on CBS part.

3 What additional docs does James Pierce have to authenticate? He reportedly said he had lots more docs.

4 Piss poor investigation by CBS clearly one sided and not looking for the truth but avoiding it.

5 How could they expect the WH to verify the docs if they came from a personal file? Did they expect the WH to help them out after the way they have treated Republicans and Pres Bush in particular? Stupid all the way through the process.

6 How could they call the sources unimpeachable? That is further evidence of deception on their part.

7 Failure to show any opposing side like Killlian's son or wife, or state that docs were questionable by their examiners.

8 Failure to look at the documents next to one of the era not even close.

9 Failure to ask who might have typed them, Killian, secretary or typing pool...


as Forest Gump would say stupid is as stupid does...
my grade for Danny boy F-
168 posted on 09/18/2004 9:50:25 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: counterpunch
Barnes would make a lot more sense as the "unimpeachable source."

Reading this thread and trying to put pieces together in my tired head, I came to the same conclusion an hour ago or so. Subject to change as the picture clarifies and/or other evidence comes in. =;-)

169 posted on 09/18/2004 9:51:15 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: traviskicks

"So much of this debate has focused on the documents, and no one has really challenged the story. It's been frustrating to us to see all this reduced to a debate over little 'th's."




Man, I always love this...the argumuent that its not person making the charges or the documents that purport to make charges, but rather the severity of the charges that require an investigation/response. HOWEVER, that is ONLY true when they are made against a Republican. When made against a democrat, simply attack the accuser as partisan, dig up nasty details in their past, express your revulsion at having your patriotism questioned, demand that people not involved in the situation make it stop, and expect the MSM to go along with you


170 posted on 09/18/2004 9:53:36 PM PDT by connor_in (opus and bill in '08)
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To: Cboldt

I believe they were faxed at 6:41 pm on the 2 ND, she probably go then the next am.


171 posted on 09/18/2004 9:54:04 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: KingKongCobra
They've pinned this on her and I'm beginning to think Dan may survive but she is finished.

You might be right, but I doubt that fixes the problem. Nobody but us news junkies knows a thing about Mapes - I knew ZERO about her until this week. THis blow-up needs either a big fish, or a public fish. Heyward, or Rather, or both have to go. Mapes will go too, but that won't be enough.

172 posted on 09/18/2004 9:54:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hobson
David Van Os is a labor lawyer. His wife, Rachel, is the "office administrator" of his law firm and, by all accounts, a real virago who terrorized the staff so much they banded together in 1999 and 2000 to form a union for protection. The Austin Chronicle carried the story. Their treatment got so much worse they went to the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) which filed a formal complaint against Van Os on March 29, 2001. A real "man of the people".
173 posted on 09/18/2004 9:55:07 PM PDT by plangent
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To: counterpunch

I thought Barnes was supposed to have undergone some kind of epiphany during a stop at "The Wall". Also thought he was working on a book. When did his daughter say he told her about that?

CBS wouldn't lie in an interviews to a fellow journalist, about Barnes getting convinced to tell his story after they got their hands on the docs, now would they?


174 posted on 09/18/2004 9:57:44 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: hobson

Man you are really up on your stuff... Nice pics! That is amazing. I don't even know why we need Cleland, Von Os is a prominent enough Democrat himself! All these people are not just active participents in the Kerry Reelection campaign, they are LEADERS IN IT!

The only thing I know offhand that might be useful to add to your compilation is this, Burkett is such a prominent Dem that he was asked to speak at a Dem group in Taylor county Democrats. I bet they tie into all this somehow too:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27239-2004Sep16.html

"He's very bright; he's not a hayseed," said Royse Kerr, chairman of the Taylor County Democratic Club, which last spring invited Burkett to speak to the members about the "state of politics in America."


175 posted on 09/18/2004 9:58:37 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/welfare.htm)
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To: holdonnow
One of the revelations here in the middle of the story is that Rather has known Ben Barnes for 30 years. Many of us suspected Barnes and he were acquaintenances, if not more. And he never revealed this during the program.

That whole paragraph is very revealing. Look at the timing, the long-standing relationship and where it says Mapes was trying to convince Barnes to come forward and tell his story, like he'd never told it before when he has:

During the Republican National Convention in New York, Rather got a call from Ben Barnes, a onetime Texas lieutenant governor and veteran Democrat who has known the anchor, a former Houston TV reporter, for 30 years. Barnes said he was ready to say before the cameras that he had pulled strings to get Bush a coveted slot in the Texas Guard in 1968. Mapes had long been urging Barnes to tell his story.

~snip~

176 posted on 09/18/2004 9:58:57 PM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Ethyl
Burkett started the rumor and Mapes has been chasing it for 5 years. Finally, he just manufactured the evidence she was looking for.

Heheheheh. You know, that is exactly how it works. Some people just know how to work the rumor mill.

177 posted on 09/18/2004 9:58:59 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: counterpunch

What a decent journalist would do is find out who was working at the Abilene Kinko's at the time the memos were sent, show him/her some pictures and see if we can get a positive ID on the sender. Since Burkett limps and uses a cane, it should be easy to verify or eliminate him. If it was Barnes or the lawyer or some other TX Dem party operative, then there's your smoking gun.


179 posted on 09/18/2004 9:59:21 PM PDT by topdog1
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To: igoramus987

'CBS gave you other documents besides the four that 60 Minutes used in the story? “Lots more documents” were his exact words.'

WaPo says Burkett
'In e-mails yesterday to The Washington Post, he said he would speak out "at the appropriate time" but "that time is not now."
also, I read somewhere that he 'warned not to dismiss everything so quickly...'

maybe there is some more trash letters coming out.


180 posted on 09/18/2004 9:59:26 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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