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(Victor Davis Hanson: Our Moral Quagmire
VDH Private Papers ^ | September 16, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/16/2004 8:16:00 AM PDT by quidnunc

Recently there was a demonstration not far from my home in central California. A number of illegal aliens were marching to demand the right to obtain California driver’s licenses. Their shrill advocates on television claimed that illegal residents of the state were willing to put up with demeaning questions about their legal status — but only if it meant in exchange gaining sanction to drive and obtain government identification.

Not long after the 9-11 commission released its findings. It rebuked government agencies for their laxity in issuing IDs. At least 14 of the 19 hijackers had obtained drivers’ licenses and then used them as entrée to acquire a host of other certifications, credit cards, and bank accounts. Some were here illegally; many entered on questionable visas from Saudi Arabia issued under dubious circumstances.

The same week as the commission’s findings were published, the press reported that a number of Middle Eastern males were apprehended crossing the US-border. Are we as a nation unhinged, in contemplating easing rather than tightening the criteria to obtain the most common form of American certification — at a time when thousands of our stealthy enemies depend on just such laxity to ensure our very destruction?

Why then is illegal immigration the third rail we dare not talk about?

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(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; mexifornia; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 09/16/2004 8:16:01 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Tolik

FYI


2 posted on 09/16/2004 8:16:46 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Why then is illegal immigration the third rail we dare not talk about?

Because it might interfere with our god given right to cheap gardening services.

From my observations, suburban California (which is just about all of it) would have a substantially different look if this were so.

3 posted on 09/16/2004 8:38:36 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: quidnunc
Our government also is contaminated when it forfeits the very sanctity of its laws.

Absolutely.

4 posted on 09/16/2004 8:41:16 AM PDT by shezza (But heaven forbid enforcing the law should hurt anyone's feelings!)
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To: quidnunc

Because "immigration is good" never mind the legalisms.


5 posted on 09/16/2004 9:01:21 AM PDT by junta
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To: quidnunc
You stole my post.

Seriously though, I have long been an admirer of Dr. Hanson. I remember hearing a story about him giving a talk about his book Mexifornia on Capitol Hill. An angry aide to Nancy Pelosi stood up and denounced him as an admitted "classist." Dr. Hanson then said he begged the aide's pardon but that he must have misunderstood his introduction as a "classicist, studying the classics." The angry young man then stormed out of the room, stealing a box of pizza that had been brought for the audience.

That story is why immigration is not talked about. You will immediately be called racist, rather than a supporter of American values and wages. And it seems that even those Republicans who have not been seduced by the open borders are simply scared of the dreaded "R word." Folks like Tom Tancredo are simply brave exception that prove the rule.
6 posted on 09/16/2004 3:40:25 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


7 posted on 09/16/2004 5:38:33 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: radicalamericannationalist
You will immediately be called racist

By Republicans and Democrats alike

8 posted on 09/16/2004 5:49:06 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: radicalamericannationalist
That story is why immigration is not talked about. You will immediately be called racist, rather than a supporter of American values and wages. And it seems that even those Republicans who have not been seduced by the open borders are simply scared of the dreaded "R word."

Hanson doesn't seem to care what people call him. From his book Mexifornia:

That many in the business community will consider what follows naive or dub me a protectionist/isolationist worries me as little as the critical voices I am sure to hear from an academic elite whose capital remains largely separatist identities and self-interest. Both parties, after all, did their part to get us into this predicament and have so far escaped accountability for the harm they have done.

That describes those WSJ Global Capitalist Scumbags (so-called "conservatives" who should be called "liberals") and anti-white racist postmodern academic elites (so-called "liberals" who ought to be called "Marxists") to a T.

9 posted on 09/16/2004 10:41:52 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: quidnunc
We the public, who benefit for a time from having cheap labor to run our hotels, serve our food, and pick our fruit are in a fool's paradise.

If this is the case why aren't motel and hotel prices going down? Why are restaurant prices so high? And last but not least - why is my damn lettuce so expensive?

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10 posted on 09/17/2004 2:37:40 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: quidnunc

Border control or IMPEACHMENT


11 posted on 09/17/2004 5:18:06 AM PDT by 1234 (Border control or IMPEACHMENT)
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To: quidnunc; seamole; Lando Lincoln; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson on illegal immigration Ping ! 
12 posted on 09/17/2004 6:37:08 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik; All; quidnunc; seamole; Lando Lincoln; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ..

<< Victor Davis Hanson on illegal immigration Ping ! >>

Now it is

[Why do you waste your time and ours posting these abreviated-poster's (Advisedly) Narcissistic ego trips?]





September 16, 2004
Our Moral Quagmire
by Victor Davis Hanson
Private Papers

Recently there was a demonstration not far from my home in central California. A number of illegal aliens were marching to demand the right to obtain California driver’s licenses. Their shrill advocates on television claimed that illegal residents of the state were willing to put up with demeaning questions about their legal status—but only if it meant in exchange gaining sanction to drive and obtain government identification.

Not long after the 9-11 commission released its findings. It rebuked government agencies for their laxity in issuing IDs. At least 14 of the 19 hijackers had obtained drivers’ licenses and then used them as entrée to acquire a host of other certifications, credit cards, and bank accounts. Some were here illegally; many entered on questionable visas from Saudi Arabia issued under dubious circumstances.

The same week as the commission’s findings were published, the press reported that a number of Middle Eastern males were apprehended crossing the US-border. Are we as a nation unhinged, in contemplating easing rather than tightening the criteria to obtain the most common form of American certification—at a time when thousands of our stealthy enemies depend on just such laxity to ensure our very destruction?

Why then is illegal immigration the third rail we dare not talk about?

The politics of it are surreal. Wall Street Journal economic libertarians cite cheap labor and robust demography brought on by unchecked immigration as an economic plus for us in an increasingly global economy. The Left apparently sees an entire new generation of voters who can be nursed on the need for government entitlements to ensure them a parity of result rather than an equality of opportunity.

Yet despite the politics, there are other reasons why all citizens of conscience should worry about illegal immigration well beyond national security and deficit spending. It is a moral quagmire that soils everyone and everything it touches. A complacent and often corrupt Mexican government has not made needed social and economic reforms. Despite oil, minerals, favorable climate, and soil, it cannot feed its people or treat them humanely. Why? Mexico City prefers to export dissent, hoping to rid the country of its surplus poor—even as it counts on $12 billion in remittances from loyal and nostalgic expatriates to prop up a failing system back home in need of long postponed reform. Mexico is not a close friend of the United States. If one were to ignore all the cheap attacks on America in its wild press, and simply examine its policy toward American sovereignty, it would be classified by any fair standard as a belligerent.

American employers need not seek continual mechanization nor pay U.S. citizen workers—many of them legal immigrants from Mexico—a decent wage when there is a constant pool of hard-working young males without documentation who cannot organize or collectively bargain.

We the public, who benefit for a time from having cheap labor to run our hotels, serve our food, and pick our fruit are in a fool’s paradise. Not only is unemployment of U.S. citizens still high, but we have created an aristocratic sense of entitlement among some of our youth, who prefer the mall to the summer peach orchard.

There is still an untold collective wage to pay when millions of poorly educated workers age are injured or are laid off. Without legal status or education, they all have a future rendezvous with unemployment insurance, workers’ compensation, welfare subsidies, and disability pensions. A bricklayer of 19 from Oaxaca may appear happy and a great bargain for the United States—but only if he stays 19 and healthy of the next fifty years.

We have also created an entire La Raza (“the race”) industry of well-healed grandees whose reason to be is a perpetual underclass in need of group rather than individual representation. Under the old system, when Mexicans entered the United States mostly under legal auspices and in measured numbers, the melting pot of integration and intermarriage worked. Thus 1960s rhetoric about “brown power” and “a bronze state for a bronze people” increasingly grew superfluous and finally merely annoying. Only a continuous stream of millions heading north, one illegal, exploited, and living in the shadows of American society, can sustain the race industry in our political caucuses, Balkanized media, and Chicano Studies programs.

Our government also is contaminated when it forfeits the very sanctity of its laws. Why should students who are citizen residents of New Mexico report their out-of-state status truthfully to California universities when they know illegal residents of that state will pay a third less for college tuition? Why should parents pay much attention to providing birth certificates to obtain their teenagers’ licenses—a rite of passage at the Department of Motor Vehicles—when they know those who broke the law will not?

Illegal immigration is a cancer eating away at the values, ethics, and laws of America—a tragic malignancy that is no longer an economic or defense problem so much as an abject moral wrong.

© 2004 Victor Davis Hanson


13 posted on 09/17/2004 8:06:55 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice no virtue -- B.G.)
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To: Brian Allen; Sabertooth; B4Ranch

<< Illegal immigration is a cancer eating away at the values, ethics, and laws of America—a tragic malignancy that is no longer an economic or defense problem so much as an abject moral wrong. >>

What else to say?


14 posted on 09/17/2004 8:10:26 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice no virtue -- B.G.)
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To: Brian Allen
We the public, who benefit for a time from having cheap labor to run our hotels, serve our food, and pick our fruit are in a fool’s paradise.

Yep - illegal immigration saves you a nickel on a head of lettuce, but costs you an extra thousand dollars any time you need to use the hospital.

And you pay even if you don't use the hospital.

Last year in Maricopa County, AZ, there was a property-tax increase election ostensibly to pay for "burn care for policemen rear-ended while driving their Crown Victorias", but which was in fact to subsidize medical care for Free-range Hispanics at the county hospital.

15 posted on 09/17/2004 6:16:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: Tolik

bttt


16 posted on 09/18/2004 1:46:18 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: quidnunc
Why then is illegal immigration the third rail we dare not talk about?

Maybe he should ask his good buddies at National Review and the Wall St Journal, the ones who have done so much to stifle the debate. Not to mention the powers that be who set the agenda at the RNC.

17 posted on 09/18/2004 10:05:31 PM PDT by Pelham
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