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Liberal New England

Posted on 09/12/2004 4:18:48 PM PDT by gregde

Why is New England so heavily democratic? Much of it is white middle class suburban/small town types who would would vote heavily republican in much of the rest of the country. In fact New England was relatively Republican in many states as recently as 15 or 20 years ago. I understand that it is a relatively liberal place, but liberals can't be such a large percentage of the population as to explain gore's 2 to 1 victory over bush in 2000.


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To: gregde
Why is New England so heavily democratic?

It's not, you just think it is. Louisiana is more democratic than New England is.

21 posted on 09/12/2004 4:36:36 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: speedy
A combination of the large number of universities

Ding ding ding ding winner is Universities and population density = urban.

22 posted on 09/12/2004 4:37:31 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: gregde
Thats an interesting point. But are unions all that powerful in Rhode Island, for example?

Yes.

I know unions dominate places like New Jersey, but I thought New England was rich enough now that few people would be in unions.

You thought wrong amigo. Teachers, trades, government employees are the troika that runs New England.

Complimenting that is the fact that church attendance in New England is much lower than say the south. In fact, New England is much wealthier than the south but their charitable giving is much less than the south where per capita income is much less than the northeast.

I know these things because I have spent most of my life in New England as a non union, church going, gun loving, pro life believing, military backing conservative.

23 posted on 09/12/2004 4:39:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
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To: gregde

Yikes! Another vanity post without "VANITY" in the subject line.

Anyhoo, I live in a pro-military area. So? I'm pleased I don't have to subject myself to that many open liberals.


24 posted on 09/12/2004 4:39:22 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (I never add to the confusion, I just enhance it.)
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To: MaineRepublic
Go out to the small towns of Western Mass and you will wonder how you could be in the same State that has Ted Kennedy as a senator

Yet every county in Mass, including the western ones, went for Gore in 2000.

25 posted on 09/12/2004 4:41:49 PM PDT by nsc68
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To: goldstategop
Its the Mass liberals who've taken over VT and moved into ME and elsewhere. They bring their views with them even as they escape the Bay State in search of less overcrowded pastures.

I think the liberal takeover of Vermont was accomplished by New Yorkers looking for a "pastoral" life. It's pretty much a straight shot up I-87 from NYC to Burlington.

To the degree people have north moved out of Massachusetts, they've ended up in southern New Hampshire and southern Maine. That's why New Hampshire is in play politically. The area around Nashua is effectively a northern extension of Massachusetts.

26 posted on 09/12/2004 4:43:39 PM PDT by hc87
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
New England has a large population increase from New York and Massachusetts.

Nit: MA is part of New England, historically the first part, from which most of the rest was settled.

27 posted on 09/12/2004 4:44:03 PM PDT by Restorer (They have the microphone, but we have the remote.)
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To: gregde

Its the same way here in Illinois. I walk down my street in my nice middle class mostly white suburb and there's a kerry sticker in nearly every window.

Do they not know what taxes they will pay, do they not care that just the mere act of making kerry president emboldens the terrorists to strike again?

I can't think of any possible explanation for it.


28 posted on 09/12/2004 4:45:01 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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To: jwalsh07
Complimenting that is the fact that church attendance in New England is much lower than say the south. In fact, New England is much wealthier than the south but their charitable giving is much less than the south where per capita income is much less than the northeast.

Yup. I think the New England states were something like 45-50 in charitable giving per capita the last survey they published, with Massachusetts last or near to last.

29 posted on 09/12/2004 4:47:31 PM PDT by hc87
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To: gregde
You wnat to know why? BRAIN DAMAGE. There, you feel better now?

LOL
30 posted on 09/12/2004 4:49:56 PM PDT by wastoute
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To: MoJo2001

It all goes back to the Puritans. They knew what was best for everyone. They were the first leftists in America. Rhode Island was founded by a man that they chased out of Massachussettes. During the Civil War new englanders were antislavery not because of some love of human rights, but because they "knew better" than a bunch of hicks from the south.

Everyone around here is liberal. Once you get enough liberals in an area conservatives are silenced. Then everyone grows up thinking that the liberal way is the only way. The universities and unions might be part of the problem but it runs much, much deeper. I live in a semi-rural area where people are well off. Liberals everywhere. The snobbish attitude pervades everything. People from other parts of the country are looked down on, and europeans are considered superior (instead of the remnants of a degenerate society).

As for NH and VT, it is all about the waves of liberals from MA. My sister-in-law just moved across the border to NH. She's one of the Anybody but Bush crowd. Actually the universities brought her here.


31 posted on 09/12/2004 4:51:47 PM PDT by Glak
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The answer is "John Fitzerald Kennedy, Tip O'Neil, and the mythology of the Democratic Party.


32 posted on 09/12/2004 4:55:24 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: gregde

The answer is fairly simple. Just hold up a map and you will see that New England is just south of Canada. Now all the water that New England uses comes down from Canada carrying the same toxins that infect Canadians and now affect New Englanders, but not as severe because of the long journey down the water takes reduces their strength, somewhat.

The Long Island Sound serves as a barrier protecting the rest of the states just below New England from this toxic water. New York is an exception. They don't have an excuse for their liberal psychosis like we do in New England.


33 posted on 09/12/2004 4:55:29 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: freddiedavis
No. New England was before the influx of liberals an area that wanted to be free from big government and to take charge of their own lives. The liberals want big government and to keep the people uneducated, poor and dependent on government so that the liberals can buy their votes. The so called elite class who support liberal candidates want to keep the status as is. As long as they can say they gave money or gave time they are happy - They do not give a crap about long term financial freedom for the masses or what they call the underprivileged. Just like the original democrat party they want to keep the serfs.
34 posted on 09/12/2004 4:59:24 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: freddiedavis
No. New England was before the influx of liberals an area that wanted to be free from big government and to take charge of their own lives. The liberals want big government and to keep the people uneducated, poor and dependent on government so that the liberals can buy their votes. The so called elite class who support liberal candidates want to keep the status as is. As long as they can say they gave money or gave time they are happy - They do not give a crap about long term financial freedom for the masses or what they call the underprivileged. Just like the original democrat party they want to keep the serfs.
35 posted on 09/12/2004 4:59:58 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: jwalsh07

Same here and living in New England, and Rhode Island in particular, is tough. I dream of the day when I look at one of those election maps and see RI looking very RED! But, it's just a dream...


37 posted on 09/12/2004 5:04:03 PM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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To: gregde
Easy to explain. Parents from all over the country send their kids here to our fine schools and universities. Their kids love the area so much that they settle down here and multiply. This is similar to how the San Francisco area got so liberal - all those fine schools and universities out that way.

Many of these kids moved up north to Vermont and Maine and now those areas are turning liberal too. Ditto for Oregon and Washington State.

38 posted on 09/12/2004 5:05:52 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Bush 53%)
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To: goldstategop
They bring their views with them even as they escape the Bay State in search of less overTAXED pastures.

The hypocrites

39 posted on 09/12/2004 5:06:26 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: gregde

Two words:

Boston Globe


40 posted on 09/12/2004 5:08:25 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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