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re: caravans leaving Iraq prior to the war. If I recall correctly, a number of Russians were also involved with this rapid exodus.
A site "urban survival" claims to summarize what the web bots are suggesting.
I just read a book by "anonymous" (?) about why we are not winning the war on terror. He was claiming that when we initially attacked Afghanistan- we did not do so overwhelmingly and as a result a large number of AQ and Taliban escaped. He also said that OBL/AQ has clear and definite intent to kill as many Americans as possible- that OBL is crafty, intelligent, has a huge following in the Middle East (charismatic leader), has been planning war against us for over a decade, and no doubt has weapons of mass destruction.
It was not an encouraging book.
Well said.
North Korea appears to be scuttling the nuclear talks, as per Mutter's board:
North Korea accuses US of aborting six-party talks
(AFP)
27 September 2004
SEOUL
Stalinist North Korea said Monday that talks on its nuclear program have collapsed due to South Korea’s nuclear experiments and Washington’s hostile policy.
“The United States can never evade its responsibility for the abortion of the next round of the six-party talks,” the North’s ruling party newspaper Rodong Sinmun said in a commentary.
“It is none other than the US which has demolished the very foundation of the six-party talks.”
The daily urged Washington to take practical steps to restore ”the already demolished basic foundation” of six-party talks involving the two Koreas, Japan, China, Russia and the United States.
The six nations have held three rounds of talks on ways to curb the North’s nuclear weapons drive in return for diplomatic concessions and possible economic aid.
A fourth round was scheduled for this month but Pyongyang has refused to return to the negotiating table.
The North hardened its position after the South disclosed its own past experiments, which it says were for resaerch purposes only.
In a commentary Monday, the North’s KCNA news agency said Pyongyang cannot discuss resuming the six-party talks and renouncing its “nuclear deterrent force” unless Washington drops its double standards and hostile policy.
“As is already known well, the groundwork of the talks collapsed due to the deliberate provocation of the US hardline conservatives and the double standards applied by them in dealing with the nuclear issue,” the agency said.
www.khaleejtimes.com/Disp...world&col=
I wonder how Putin is going to react to this bit of news!
"USA to INCREASE MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO GEORGIA"
27.09.2004, Tbilisi 19:59:27.
The USA will increase its military assistance to Georgia by three times, Georgian Defense Minister Georgy Baramidze told journalists after he returned from the USA where he had met with US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Assistant Secretary of State Elizabeth Jones.
Baramidze did not specify the sum noting that an additional 4,000 servicemen would be trained using the US resources. As reported earlier, since 2003 the USA has allocated $64m on training 2,750 Georgian military men.
The USA will also pay salaries to Georgian peacekeepers in Iraq, which is about $600 per month. The Georgian Defense Minister said that the Georgian military contingent in Iraq would be enlarged considerably.
http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20040927195927.shtml
bookmark
IPN and NINN reporting Shooting in Penn Station. Also rec. page of a fire underground w/ cars occupied.
Power Problem Affecting Train Traffic Out of Penn Station
(New York-WABC, September 27, 2004) — The Long Island Railroad had no service between Penn Station and Jamaica Station this afternoon, because of a power problem that's affecting the signals.
The railroad lost signal power in Penn Station just before 1:00 p.m. after a power spike in a tunnel at East 30th Street and First Avenue.
As of 1:30pm, there were no LIRR trains currently traveling between Penn Station and Jamaica. New Jersey Transit trains and Amtrak trains are also being delayed.
It's not immediately known how long the delays could last.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/traffic/wabc_092704_lir_power.html
Any follow up? I'm wearing out my refresh button . . .
none at this time other than the ABC report.
September 27, 2004
Jeremy Reynalds
P O Box 27693
Alb., NM 87125-7693
Tel: (505) 400-7145
www.joyjunction.org
Chinese Christian Killed after Allegedly Refusing to Give in to Extortion Demand:
Family Reportedly Still Waiting for Compensation after Seven Years
On the afternoon of April 23 1997, China's Sipu Town Office sent an official to order Kaihuo Huang to report to the Town Office of Political and Legal Affairs.
That was the beginning of a nightmare which ended in Huang's brutal torture and death days later.
Alleging that town officials were responsible for his death, Huang's family filed a petition with a variety of Chinese local government officials of the Jiangxi Province in 1997 asking that the township be ordered to compensate the family for its loss.
However, seven years later there has reportedly still been no response from any Chinese official.
Kaihuo Huang's daughter Xiaohua Huang explained what happened once her father made his initial visit to the town office. She said officials reportedly chained her father's hands and feet for 26 hours and ordered him to pay a 6000 renmenbi – RMB – ( about $700) fine on behalf of his church. (He was apparently a church elder or pastor). "We thought that religious freedom is clearly stated in our "constitution," she said.
Kaihuo Huang's "crime" was apparently not getting official permission for his church to meet. However, because many church members were not really educated they were unaware of the need to get an okay, Xiaohua Huang said.
Taking advantage of this, the town office tried to extort money from the Christians, Xiaohua Huang said.
Shixiong Li, founder of the Committee for Investigation on Persecution of Religion in China, or CIPRC (and online at www.china21.org), wrote "This is the real ‘religious freedom' that tens of millions house church Christians are facing under the ‘protection' from the public state ‘constitution' and the suppression from the secret ‘practicing policies ... The mass people have no place to appeal. If they shout ‘injustice' for some time, the government would use police to crackdown the protest disturbing ‘social order.' The plight the Chinese believers have been suffering is much more injustice than the ‘injustice' in the TV dramas showing the dark time in China history."
When the authorities failed to receive the money they wanted, Xiaohua Huang said, on April 28 they again summoned her father to the town office where this time he was held captive for 14 hours.
After returning home late that evening Xiaohua Huang said her father told her, "The town office ordered me to hand in 300 RMB for myself before 9:00 a.m. tomorrow (April 29), and then lead them to every believer's home to collect 6000 RMB before 12:00 noontime. Otherwise they will detain me."
According to Xiaohua Huang, her father was a "timid and submissive" person. Consequently on the morning of April 29 he borrowed 300 RMB from friends and then went to the town office at 10:00 a.m. When her father failed to return home by midday, Huang became concerned and went to the town office to ask about her father.
When an official told Xiaohua Huang that her father had never come to the town office, she was very worried.
"I hurried back home and asked some people to go to look for my father,"Xiaohua Huang said. "Two days passed. But we could not find him. My heart (was) filled with grief and indignation! How come my father (had) disappeared? (It wasn't) until May 1 at around 6:00 in the afternoon, a 14-year-old village child found my father's body while picking up mushrooms in the mountain at the back of our house."
Upon learning the news, Xiaohua Huang said she ran to where her father's remains lay. "I saw my father's body lying on the ground, fully covered with injuries and blood. The chains left deep mark on his wrists and feet. His chest swelled and became black ... We could not stand (the) scene. The whole family fell in(to) deep grief. All the village residents cried with us. I almost died of grief. I stumbled to the town office to ask for the reason, and reported to the county Public Security Department. The county police came to the scene very quickly and took photographs. About 10:00 p.m., we had his body carried home."
According to Xiaohua Huang, Mayor Shiming Deng came to the village the next day and told people that the town office had not had anything to do with Kaihuo Huang's death. He added, Wang said, "Recently, Kaihuo Huang showed disagreement to what the town office did."
Xiaohua Huang said the mayor's actions angered village residents, who carried her father's body down to the town office. "Instead of trying to calm down the people, the town officials called police from the county Public Security Department to crackdown the people. More than 20 harmless people were injured by the police."
The situation got so bad, Xiaohua Huang said, that on the afternoon of May 5 the town office called an emergency meeting, "ordering every town and village official to come to our village to suppress the people's suspecting and talking about the reason for my father's death."
Concerned about a continuing protest, Xiaohua Huang said, the town office offered 1600 RMB to help her family bury her father. Officials wanted to help with the family's financial difficulties, they said. However, Huang said, she knew differently. "The fact was that the town office wanted to bury my father to close the case as soon as possible."
When Xiaohua Huang's family and village residents refused to bury her father without knowing why he died, she said the town office was very concerned and called on more than 100 officials. "They came suddenly, forcibly took away my father's coffin and buried him in the mountain while guarded by the police in case someone would interrupt."
The worst thing was, Xiaohua Huang said, was that when the autopsy reports finally came that they were not allowed to see them. Village officials had a plan, though.
"Several days later," Xiaohua Huang allaged, "they counterfeited one report and gave to us. Then the town office declared that my father died of stroke and self poisoning. He committed suicide and he was not murdered."
However, Xiaohua Huang refused to buy what to her was a contradictory answer, asking that if her father died of a stroke why would he then also have to poison himself?
"If he died of a stroke," Xiaohua Huang asked, " he must (have) died on the road to or back from the town office. How come he died in the mountain with so many injuries? If he poisoned himself, then it must be because the town officials beat him up since he could not pay the 6000 RMB fine, and he would be beaten up again if he still could not get the money. He was obviously pushed to this dead end. How could the town office have nothing to do with his death?"
Xiaohua Huang said that her father's death was obviously a result of the "town officials behavior of covering the facts and abusing their power like ‘local emperors' over the village people."
As a result, she said, the family is facing debilitating financial circumstances. In 1997 Xiaohua Huang said, "My family lacks labor power. My mother's schizophrenia has been becoming more and more severe. She cannot work but needs attendance. Our family of four lost the source for basic life. We are facing extreme financial difficulty."
The still to be answered petition concluded by reading, "We beg the respected leaders of General Office of the State Council, Ministry of State Security, Ministry of Justice, Supreme Procuratorate and Jiangxi Provincial Political and Legal Bureau to deal with this case according to Item 3, Article 27, State Compensation Law.
"If the Town Office refuses to compensate, then we request to open the coffin to run the autopsy again and thoroughly investigate this case in order to maintain the state law and calm down the people's indignation!
"We request our government punish the Town Office's criminal conduct of putting people in a dead position after being unable to extort money. We, the mass peasants, want to see the dignity of law. We have been expecting any answer from any department. Please answer us. Isn't it true that the upper government would not care if the lower government kills Christians? Isn't this connivance to these ‘local emperors' who publicly abuse people's lives?
"We have nowhere to appeal. The only thing we can do is to kneel down before our Communist Party and the People's Government and knock our head on the ground!"
A CIPRC official said that this story was first published a few days ago in an e-mail distribution list maintained by the organization.
According to CIPRC, the group was founded in 2000 in New York. Its objectives are to reveal the plight that the Chinese house church Christians have suffered, and to to call on Christians in the free world to help their brothers and sisters in the persecuted church.
CIPRC's Chief Secretary John Lee said by e- mail, "We have mobilized thousands of brave house church Christians in China to investigate and collect the persecution cases. They have interviewed 560,000 house church Christians from 22 provinces, and have obtained invaluable first-hand information of over-two-million-word testimonies full of blood and tears and many photos as well."
Lee added, "Due to the nature of our ministry, our organization has become the target of the Chinese Communist Party's ‘secret force' in the U.S. They tried various means to stop us, such as stalking, intimidating, etc. But ‘The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?'"
For additional information about CIPRC go to http://www.china21.org
A You Bet BumPIJG!
Amtrak with 500 passengers stuck in Hudson River Tunnel
between NJ and NY per NINN.
http://newscenter.ninn.org/index.php
I think that is a good sign in recognizing a dimmer, by the lust for gore {no pun intended}
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1228191/posts
"Man With Bomb Materials Arrested Near Bridge" (New York)
WINS News ^ | 9/27/04
Posted on 09/27/2004 7:39:05 AM PDT by areafiftyone
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "A Queens man was arrested after police found substances used in the manufacturing of explosives in his van near the Atlantic Beach Bridge on Long Island.
Nassau County Police say an officer on the way to another assignment saw a van parked near some high reeds off Route 878 in Lawrence at about 6:30 Friday night. 56-year-old Hippocrates Koutosoupakis of Astoria was found nearby.
Police say the potentially dangerous substances were inside Koutosoupakis's van and that it "was his intention to cause an explosion."
Authorities say Koutosopakis was wearing military-style suspenders with pockets containing tools and a propane torch. He also allegedly had a stun gun.
The Daily News reports this morning, Koutosopakis also had with him rappelling gear and a map of nearby Kennedy airport. Also, a search of his home turned up several improvised explosives."
They upgraded the fire to a 2nd alarm @ Penn station.
Wow arabic sites?
What are these sites about?
What is that taliyah site promoting?
Yes possible transformer exploded in the Hudson Tunnel
causing damage to the tracks. Amtrak with 500 passengers
are is in the tunnel, per NINN. Not geting anything
on IPN
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228168/posts
"Slain militant was Al-Qaeda's terror recruiter in Pakistan"
AFP ^ | 9/27/04
Posted on 09/27/2004 7:04:56 AM PDT by TexKat
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Amjad Farooqi, who was gunned down in a weekend raid nine months after allegedly trying to assassinate President Pervez Musharraf, was Al-Qaeda's chief terror recruiter in Pakistan, security officials said.
"Farooqi was the man on whom Al-Qaeda relied for carrying out attacks and recruiting people who executed terror plots," a top security official told AFP on Monday.
Farooqi, 30, considered Pakistan's most wanted man, was shot dead Sunday morning in a two-hour gunbattle at his hideout in the dusty town of Nawabshah in southern Sindh province in a dramatic end to a nationwide manhunt."
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