[mabelkitty]

Some have already been clarified, but here are the running discrepancies:

1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist (actually does exist, but Mr. Bush had already moved TWICE from this address at the time the memo was written).
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News-However, many documents on John Kerry’s website show same)
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
29 – Is the document original or a copy of an original? Why all the background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots (as if run through a Xerox).
31-The Killiam family rejected these documents as forgeries. Then where did the “personal files” come from if not the family?
32-Why no three hole punches evident at the top of the page?
33-Mr. Bush would have had automatic physical scheduled for his Birthday – in July! He would not have received correspondence.
34-Why is the redacted address of Longmont #8 visible beneath the black mark? This would have been impossible after one copy, but it would be visible if the document was scanned.
35-Why were these exact same documents available for sale on the Internet as early as January 2004? Is this where CBS obtained their copies?

[ttown]

I think he's going to tell us Bush did it!

[mlbford2]

Please frwd this to all news sources. For some reason they don't like to do this investigative stuff.

[RightWhale]

3 - small "th" single element not generally available

Not common, but available. This is not a strong point.

[vmivol00]

36. Acronym should be ORT not ORET

[Fabozz]

"29 – Is the document original or a copy of an original? Why all the background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots (as if run through a Xerox)."

Speaking of which, just how common were photocopiers in the National Guard in 1972? Why was this memo photocopied even once, let alone the multiple times required to reach its current sorry state?

[FastCoyote]

Please add to your list "Last line of document 4 "Austin will not be pleased with this" is not in the same fonmt and has been added!

[mware]

35-Why were these exact same documents available for sale on the Internet as early as January 2004? Is this where CBS obtained their copies?

Wow, you have any information on this one???

[the_Watchman]

First, I do not understand #33. It needs a little more explanation.

Second, where did you hear that these documents were on sale on the internet? #35 How could someone know unless they had purchased them. This sounds fishy.

Third, it was reported that superscripting appeared in the body of the text, but did not appear in the centered address box. This matches default style settings of Word.

[numberonepal]

Quick Transcript from Closed Captioning:

There were attacks today on the cbs news "60 minutes" report this week raising new questions about president bush's vietnam- era time in the texas air national guard. The questions raised by our report include did a wealthy texas oilman-friend of the bush family use his influence with the speaker of the texas house of representatives to get george W. Bush a coveted slot in the national guard, keeping him out of the draft and any probable service in vietnam? Did lieutenant bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer? Was lieutenant bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards? Did lieutenant bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not? And did lieutenant bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the guard? These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence, including documents written by lieutenant bush's squadron commander. Today,inetnd elsewhere, some people, including many who are partisan political operatives, concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised, but on the documents that were part of the support of the story. They alleged the documents are fake. Many of those raising questions about the cbs documents have focused on something called superscript-- a key that automatically types a raised "th". Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the '70s. But some models did. In fact, other bush military records already released by the white house itself show the same superscript. Here's one from 1968. Some analysts outside cbs say they believe the typeface on these memos is new times roman, which they claim was not available in the 1970s. But the owner of the company that distributes this typing style, says it has been available since 1931. Document and handwriting examiner marcel matley analyzed the documents for cbs news. He says he believes they are real, but is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people questioning the documents. Because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced, and the documents being analyzed outside of cbs have been photocopied, faxed, scanned and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents cbs started with. Document and handwriting examiner marcel matley did this interview with us prior to the "60 minutes" broadcast. He looked at the documents and the signatures of colonel jerry killian, comparing known documents with the colonel's signature on the newly discovered ones.

>> We look basically at what's called significant or insignificant features to determine whether it's the same person or not. I have no problem identifying them. I would say based on our available handwriting evidence, yes, this is the same person.

>> Rather: Matley finds the signatures to be some of the most compelling evidence. We talked to him today by satellite. Are you surprised that questions come about these. We're not, but I was wondering if you're surprised.

>> I knew going in that this was dynamite one way or the other, and I knew that potentially it could do far more potential damage to me professionally than benefit me, and I knew that. But we seek the truth, that's what we do. You're supposed to put yourself out, to seek the truth and take what comes from it.

>> Rather: Robert strong was an administrative officer for the texas air national guard during the vietnam years. He knew jerry killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paperwork, like these documents, was his specialty. He is standing by his judgement that the documents are real. When you read through these documents, is there any doubt in your mind that these are genuine?

>> Well, they are compatible with the way business was done at that time. They are compatible with the man I remember jerry killian being. I don't see anything in the documents that's discordant with what were the times, the situation or the people involved.

>> Rather: Strong says the highly charged political atmosphere of the guard at the time was perfectly represented in the new documents.

>> It verged on outright corruption in terms of the favors that were done, the power that was traded, and it was unconscionable. From a moral and ethical standpoint, it was unconscionable.

>> Rather: It is the information in the new documents that is most compelling for people familiar with president bush's record in the national guard. Author jim moore has written two books critical of president bush and his service in the guard.

>> There's no doubt in my mind that these documents are stating accurately what we know took place, from the records that are available.

>> Rather:.

>> Rather: Put it in context and perspective for us. The story and what we call the counterattack on the story, where are we right now?

>> I think what has happened is some incriminating documents have come out. The white house, you should remember, has not discredited the documents. They're relying on the blogosphere and other people to do that, because the white house probably knows these documents are in fact real.

>> Rather: The "60 minutes" report was based not solely on the recovered documents, but on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources and interviews with former officials of the texas national guard. If any definitive today the contrary of our story is found, we will report it.

[GailA]

Lady on local radio call in raised a question about the day style. Has that been mentioned? Military I think had a specific way they wrote the dates.

[billhilly]

Other than that? #;^D

[aruanan]

16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match

See this overlap.

[Southack]

Additional items to add to your list:

1. Lt Col Killian didn't type
2. The forged documents had no initials from a clerk
3. There was no CC list (needed for orders)
4. Subject line in memos was normally CAPITALIZED in the military
5. The forged documents used incorrect terminology ("physical examination" instead of "medical")
6. There was no "reciept confirmation box" (required for orders)
7. The superscript "th" in the forged documents was raised half-way above the typed line (consistent with MS Word, but inconsistent with military typewriters which kept everything in-line to avoid writing outside the pre-printed boxes of standard forms)
8. CBS admits that it does *not* have the originals, but only original documents can be proven to be real; copies can *never* be authenticated positively...repeat: only original documents can be proven real. CBS never had the originals, so CBS knew that it was publishing something that couldn't be assured of authenticity.

1 Full Legislative Day Left Until The AWB Expires

[Gee Wally]

You should add the 4's near the top of this list. 4's produced on a typewriter are open at the top. 4's on a word processor are closed. Compare the genuine Bush ANG documents, where the 4's are open at the top, to Ra^ther's forgeries, where the 4's are closed at the top.

[My2Cents]

Do you have this discrepancy? -- According to Killian's widow, the late Col. didn't type.

[anymouse]

Great compilation of all of the inconsistencies with the C-BS memos.

Ran into a gentleman today that flew in the TX Guard at Ellington Field under Col. Killian, but not at the same time as President Bush. He said the C-BS memos were obvious fakes. I suggested that he contact the local talk radio shows, since they would love to interview someone with some insight into this fraud.

There are quite a few former TX Guard fliers in the Houston area that knew Col. Killian or President Bush in that era. I'm sure C-BS won't be interviewing them anytime soon. (/sarcasm)