Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin
Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Here's the running, breathng, unedited document. I'm trying to keep up, but I haven't been able to edit the whole thing yet:
Some have already been clarified, but here are the running discrepancies:
1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available (not common, but available. Highly unlikely the machines were available at TANG)
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - Times Roman has been available since 1931, but only in linotype printshops...until released with Apple MacIntosh in 1984 and Windows 3.1 in 1991.
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist (actually does exist, but Mr. Bush had already moved TWICE from this address at the time the memo was written).
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News-However, many documents on John Kerry’s website show same)
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
29 – Is the document original or a copy of an original? Why all the background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots (as if run through a Xerox).(Rather explained his document was a photocopy-brings up additional questions of how redacted black address was visible from a several generation copy)
31-The Killiam family rejected these documents as forgeries. Then where did the “personal files” come from if not the family?
32-Why no three hole punches evident at the top of the page?
33-Mr. Bush would have had automatic physical scheduled for his Birthday – in July! He would not have received correspondence.
34-Why is the redacted address of Longmont #8 visible beneath the black mark? This would have been impossible after one copy, but it would be visible if the document was scanned.
35-Why were these exact same documents available for sale on the Internet y Marty Heldt, of leftist web site Tom Paine, as early as January 2004? Is this where CBS obtained their copies?
36-Acronym should be ORT, not ORET.
37- Last line of document 4 "Austin will not be pleased with this" is not in the same font and has been added!
38-Handwriting experts are not document experts – apples and oranges.
39 - Lt Col Killian didn't type
40-The forged documents had no initials from a clerk
41-There was no CC list (needed for orders)
42-Subject line in memos was normally CAPITALIZED in the military
43-The forged documents used incorrect terminology ("physical examination" instead of "medical")
44-There was no "reciept confirmation box" (required for orders)
45-The superscript "th" in the forged documents was raised half-way above the typed line (consistent with MS Word, but inconsistent with military typewriters which kept everything in-line to avoid writing outside the pre-printed boxes of standard forms)
46-CBS admits that it does *not* have the originals, but only original documents can be proven to be real; copies can *never* be authenticated positively...repeat: only original documents can be proven real. CBS never had the originals, so CBS knew that it was publishing something that couldn't be assured of authenticity.
"NBC? They are in the tank on this too?"
Since there are going to be three days of Katie Couric/Kitty Kelly next week, they are going to be supportive of CBS/Dan Rather, I guess.
Matley's home page has an email link. Heh-Heh ;-)
http://hometown.aol.com/mmatley/
I didn't get the price, but clearly CBS didn't even come close to showing Killian was in possession of such.
I think Kondracke is crazy (and I like the man) to dismiss this as just a side show. He would do well to take a step back and contemplate just what is going on here.
It is not alright to outright fabricate lies against a sitting president, have the MSM run with the lies (and they all did and appear poised to take up the battlecry of "it's not the nature of the evidence, it's the substance of the questions" insanity) and lie to the American people in such a bald faced and malicious manner.
All the while ignoring real issues attached to one John Kerry.
Dang! I'll never go on vacation again!!! I leave for a week, and all hell breaks loose ;-) I'm never gonna be able to catch up with all of this. (At least we got to hear Rush this morning on the way home from the airport, and he was talking about how "the Internet" busted this wide open. I immediately knew it was us Freepers.) So proud to be here!
Regarding post 604:
Best recap I've seen. You nailed it. Too bad this is buried deep inside this thread. Rather didn't touch the most damning evidence. Surely he knows what it is!
"2. Stonewall and kill his credibility and the credibility of CBS News forever."
How do you kill what is already dead?
See National Review's "Kerry Spot" for actual transcript.
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp
-PJ
Extremely transparent. Typically liberal.
It used to be that journalists distinguished opinion from fact. With the advent of the newsmagazine format, pioneered by the original 60 Minutes, this separation became blurred. To the extent that many newsies lobbied their management against diverting news resources from pure news functions. It has just gotten worse because a segment of the viewer population really gets into the sensational type of reporting which has the goal of being advocate rather than to inform.
Read this, dated March 31st. Also, try to find any other coverage of this story outside Indymedia, or any reference to Soros being "chairman" of Indymedia ltd.
Thank you Thank you Thank you. Maybe now I'll get lucky tonight. ;-)
This list needs a dedicated link that a moderator can update or something. Way too good.
Thanks again!!!!!!!!
....They would have been much better off summarily firing Rather.....
The game being played is for all the marbles. The lost marbles will be forever gone. No lie, no criminal act ,no disruption of the body politic is ok. The end justifies the means.
Rather knew in 2000 the election was lost and made a heroic effort to swing the Florida vote by calling it for gore before the polls closed.
I SAW that!!!!! Ol' Juan was about as apoplectic as I have EVER seen him.........
Er ah, criminals, liars, theives are not usually the brightest bulbs.
Every week I say to my husband - well, Kerry's lost another week in the press... first Swifties, then the convention, then the hurricane, then Russian attacks and now the documents. The guy couldn't have worse luck.
Didn't many of the documents copied by photocopiers of that era start "yellowing" quickly? I worked for the National Archives in the 1980s and recall many documents looking yellowed.
I just sent an E-mail to evening@cbsnews.com regading Watergate/Rathergate. Both involved an attempt to tamper with a federal election. From Watergate some may have learned that a cover up is not a good long term strategy. I suggested that CBS might want to offer a prompt acknowledgement and issue an apology for this third rate effort. It appears that Rather is going to utilize Nixon's strategy. This could be a long ordeal for Dan and CBS.
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