Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)

www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

[SW6906]

Posts 580 & 630 answered for me. I thought the West coast feeds were live, now I too know they are taped!

[snooker]

The Berlin wall of the news business is falling down. Deal with it :)

[Max7]

Dan Rather thinks we're all stupid people out here (nee -the little people) and can't figure anything out. He is SO YESTERDAY'S NEWS. (I wish.)

[JesseHousman]

"I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...

Yeah, Dan. This "dynamite" is going to blow your meaningless career to smithereens!

[Artemis Webb]

yes please put me on the live thread...thank you.

[weegee]

When it comes to autograph collecting or other historical items, it is important to be able to discuss the lineage of just how something got to your hands. This shows that it was not stolen and provides for verification of authenticity (maybe some other document references that xxx has had possession of item abc for a long time, or maybe your source xxx is a well respected and trusted source).

Also, sometimes the lineage of how the item passed from hand to hand is an interesting story in its own right.

I think that the term may have entered more common usage through Antiques Roadshow (although I don't watch it very often).

[radiohead]

Also, sometimes the lineage of how the item passed from hand to hand is an interesting story in its own right.

True.

I think that the term may have entered more common usage through Antiques Roadshow

Ah. I know of the show, tho I don't watch it. It makes sense that it would popularize the word, tho. Hope I didn't come off sounding too much like Terayza, I just don't hear 'provenance' outside of my academic discipline and thought I had run into another one of the initiated.

[RaceBannon]

That right there is more evidence than needed!!

[supercat]

I remember using a Mac Plus for newspaper layout in 1986, and I used their 'timesy' font a thousand times. It really BOTHERS me that I can't remember that name that I selected from the font menu a thousand billion times.

If you had a LaserWriter, it would have been "Times". Otherwise, "New York". The original Macintosh fonts were named after cities (Chicago, Geneva, New York, London, Venice, San Francisco, and two others I can't remember (one was rather blocky; the other had an uppercase "M" that looked like an oversized lowercase one). IIRC, an early magazine article about the Macintosh have the names of the above fonts as "System", "?", "Roman(?)", "Old English", "Cursive", "Ransom", "?", and "Ardmore".

[anymouse]

Great compilation of all of the inconsistencies with the C-BS memos.

Ran into a gentleman today that flew in the TX Guard at Ellington Field under Col. Killian, but not at the same time as President Bush. He said the C-BS memos were obvious fakes. I suggested that he contact the local talk radio shows, since they would love to interview someone with some insight into this fraud.

There are quite a few former TX Guard fliers in the Houston area that knew Col. Killian or President Bush in that era. I'm sure C-BS won't be interviewing them anytime soon. (/sarcasm)

[supercat]

I don't remember when I first saw Times Roman on a Mac, but I think it was quite a bit later. I'm fairly sure that the first time I saw it was in an implementation of TeX, where it was imported from the UNIX world. I could be wrong about this, though.

The font known as "Times" on the Macintosh font menu, would use one of the following depending upon whether bold or italic text was selected: Times-Roman; Times-Bold; Times-Italic; Times-BoldItalic. The Helvetica font would use Hevletica, Helvetica-Bold, Hevletica-Oblique, or Helvetica-BoldOblique. The Symbol font would simply use Symbol, regardless of whether bold or italic was selected.

[supercat]

The original Macintosh serif font was called "Times Roman."

Actually, it was almost never called that. On the font menu, the label "Times" was used to select "Times-Roman", "Times-Italic", "Times-Bold", and "Times-BoldItalic" (punctuated and capitalized exactly was written, less the quotes). One of the seldom-appreciated features of the real typography on the Mac was that selecting "bold" or "italic" for many of the laserprinted fonts would automatically select an entirely different font. This was most noticeable for italic text, but was also noticeable for bold.

Examples: aa bb.

The italic "a" has nothing in common with the shape of the Roman "a". The bold "b" is closer to the non-bold "b", but the left-side features are completely different. Generally serif fonts use italic characters for "italics" and sans-serif fonts simply slant normal characters, but a few sans-serif fonts use a true italic style (my favorite, btw, was called "Financial" from the package "More Fonts for Windows". Anyone ever seen it?)

[supercat]

Interesting list. The original bitmapped Mac fonts (on the very first 1984 Mac) were Athens, Chicago, Geneva, London, New York, San Francisco and Venice.

You (and I) forgot the monospaced Monaco, which is one of the few fonts that has been burned into the Macintosh ROM since the beginning (the ROMs contain Monaco-9, Chicago-12, Geneva-9, and maybe Geneva-12). Oddly, the Macintosh balks at any effort to remove those four fonts from System even though they serve no purpose but to waste disk space (I've deleted them from System on a bootable disk and nothing bad happened).