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BREAKING FROM HANNITY: CBS Producer in Dallas source of Documents
Hannity.com | 09/10/2004 | Hannity

Posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:25 PM PDT by WoodstockCat

Hannity just said a story will be filed later today that from sources inside CBS that the source of the documents is also the one who provided the Abu Grihab prison photos.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; badoom; cbs; killian; liarsanddamnliars; media; mediabias; mediashillsforkerry; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; selectricgate
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To: been_lurking
Even the most experienced typist, with the most expensive proportional typewriter, and all of the wiz-bang replacement keys could not duplicate the kerning used in modern word processing software and laser printers. These documents clearly display this kerning.

To let the rest of us know what kerning is see this Adobe kerning explanation

If I may be so bold as to summarize. Kerning is varying the spacing between letters based on what the two lettters actually are, rahter than just how wide they might be. Thus a "T" and an "A" would be closer together than two "A"s or two "T"s, because the "A" has overhead room to accomodate the top of the "T".

From the adobe site:

Kerning

Kerning refers to data included in a font that specifies how to adjust the spacing of a specific pair of characters in a font. The following example illustrates a word that uses kerning, and one with no kerning, using the default spacing in the font.


621 posted on 09/10/2004 4:44:05 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Shazolene

what was the cost of that kind of typewriter??? Fred Barnes was talking about it but I missed the amount. I think he said either 2K or 20K.


622 posted on 09/10/2004 4:44:11 PM PDT by mware
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To: Gator113
Besides, every man must be ready for an emergency, so we leave them out like a good fireman leaves his boots ready. Look at it this way, we are ready to save your life!

I thought you were supposed to leave your boots or shoes untied by the bed for that. At least that's the way we did in ROTC field training. (in effect, Basic for officer candidates)

After 33 years, I can still hear our fire marshall, whose name was, I kid you not, Geronimo, walking the corridors at lights out yelling "unlace your boots". :) )

623 posted on 09/10/2004 4:49:39 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I love Drudge's sense of humor with his headline!
624 posted on 09/10/2004 5:00:09 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: dread78645

Added as #48! Thanks!


625 posted on 09/10/2004 5:00:10 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: formercalifornian
You mean Karl Rove sent the Abu Ghraib prison photos?????

This story gets curiouser and curiouser. :O)

626 posted on 09/10/2004 5:07:21 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (You have entered a "No Girlie Men" zone. Thank you for not whining and sniveling.)
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To: mware

Don't know the cost, I was a lowly clerk-typist at the time. But it was expensive enought that in an office with about 300 people in it, there was only one Executive -- and that was for the president's office. It was so hard to use, everyone hated it!

Someone else (on this thread or another, I can't remember) said you couldn't center a line of type on an Executive. You could, but it was painstaking. Regular centering was done by tabbing to the center, then backspacing once for every 2 letters in the line you were going to type. With the Executive, each backspace moved you back only one 'unit' - and you had to know how many units each character contained, both lower and upper-case, and count backwards according to that formula. For example, for the word Kiwanis, with 7 letters -- but - K and w are 3 units, i is 1 unit, and the a, n and s are all 2 units. So that's 14 units. So you'd go to Center and backspace 7 units. Clear as mud, huh? And if you made a mistake? YOW! Start over!


627 posted on 09/10/2004 5:09:12 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: xzins

I just heard on Fox that the CBS producer of the story on these documents is the SAME producer who broke the Abu Ghraib story!

Here are two links to stories confirming Hackworth and CBS --

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.chip09may09,0,1722686.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

And this from the NYT via Free Republic --

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131788/posts

Fox and Tony Snow now discussing "web sites who discovered this info."


628 posted on 09/10/2004 5:11:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: defenderSD
The Secret Service probably doesn't monitor this website. But there may be a few other websites that they monitor (DU?).

Don't be so certain. Remember they are obliged to guard the Trophy Husband and Ketchup Lady, at least until 3 November 2004.

629 posted on 09/10/2004 5:12:46 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: WoodstockCat

Tony Snow just repeated this charge.


630 posted on 09/10/2004 5:13:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: expatpat
There's a bunch called Texas Veterans for Truth (sic), funded by a Kerry fund raiser, who have the military know-how to try to make this type of document.

Then obviously they didn't do it, because whoever did it didn't have, or at least didn't use, any knowledge of the way the military, especially the military of the early '70s, worked.

631 posted on 09/10/2004 5:24:48 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

And the IBM Executive typewriter didn't do kerning. The memo has kerning.


632 posted on 09/10/2004 5:27:39 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: El Gato

LOL


633 posted on 09/10/2004 5:29:03 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: OldFriend

"What's the frequency of the typewriter, Kenneth?"


634 posted on 09/10/2004 5:31:30 PM PDT by SERKIT (Firefighters 4 Bush!)
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To: Boomer Geezer
The following image is a screen capture of my attempt to see the effects of kerning in MS Word. Apprently, either I'm doing something wrong, or Word does not kern by default. The lines have the same number of A's and T's. When the A's and T's are next to each other, the kerning should put the characters closer together so the lines should not be the same length.


635 posted on 09/10/2004 5:32:09 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: Jeff Gannon

What is the likelihood that the original documents could be procured for testing? If age could be established, that should settle it, right? Nobody is going to seed a file in 1972 in anticipation of a scandal in 2004 (unless the DNC has powers we do not as yet suspect).


636 posted on 09/10/2004 5:33:52 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (You have entered a "No Girlie Men" zone. Thank you for not whining and sniveling.)
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To: El Gato

great post on kerning.


637 posted on 09/10/2004 5:39:42 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: delacoert

On the Format menu, click Font, and then click the Character Spacing tab. There's a little box 2/3 down, 1/3 to the right. "kerning" is right there next to the box.


638 posted on 09/10/2004 5:40:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SERKIT

Ohhhh, kerning, now I get it!


639 posted on 09/10/2004 5:42:44 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: El Gato
Although I'm convinced the documents show kerning, it's possible some of the effect may be an artifact of successive photocopying.

What persuades me the most, however, is the widow's and son's claim that Col. Killian didn't make memos for the record.

Almost equally persuasive is "W"'s birthday was in July, so the due date for his flight physical was July 31, not some time in May as suggested by this strange bit of unorthodox correspondence.

640 posted on 09/10/2004 5:43:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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