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BREAKING FROM HANNITY: CBS Producer in Dallas source of Documents
Hannity.com | 09/10/2004 | Hannity

Posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:25 PM PDT by WoodstockCat

Hannity just said a story will be filed later today that from sources inside CBS that the source of the documents is also the one who provided the Abu Grihab prison photos.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; badoom; cbs; killian; liarsanddamnliars; media; mediabias; mediashillsforkerry; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; selectricgate
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To: Doc Savage

Gary Killian on Hannity right now.


401 posted on 09/10/2004 2:10:18 PM PDT by abnegation (John Kerry makes any sane person ill.)
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To: Cboldt
This is just off your image, but I don't get the results as seen here. I'm assuming this is Times New Roman. Looks like it.

The purportions of the different letters are not the same. Your example, the five "wwwww" looks about the same length as four "mmmm". A typewriter would have to have some regulularity, while a computer need not. So this makes sense.

In my test, the "wwwww" is just slightly narrower than the "mmmmm". Completly different than your image.

If your example is correct, I still think the font is hugely different. Which would entirely preclude making a duplicate unless every letter was adjusted to match MS Word.

402 posted on 09/10/2004 2:10:30 PM PDT by narby (CBS - The new Democrat 527)
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To: mass55th

Why does anyone think Hackworth is involved?....


403 posted on 09/10/2004 2:11:35 PM PDT by mystery-ak (This President, This Time......Ron Silver)
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To: laredo44
kerning is impossible in a typewriter, because no letter can 'know' the letter next to it.

It's the kerning, stupid!

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/007779.php

404 posted on 09/10/2004 2:11:46 PM PDT by lunatic12
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To: Petronski

"True Type divides them up into much smaller slices, with much finer resolution, plus kerning. You might have been very good with the Executive, but you would not match what a modern word processor and laser printer do, such that one would not be able to tell the difference. No way.
"

You'd be able to tell the difference, of course, if you held them next to each other, even. But the point is that, while I could make a nice document (the reason the Executive was created), it would have taken a lot of work, and I wouldn't have done it if I were some officer.

This was deliberate, and it was clumsy enough to get caught immediately. One "th" down, one "th" up. Why? So you'd notice the Word-like superscript right off the bat.

This was not done by an idiot. It was done by someone for some reason who wanted the forgery discovered. Who, I don't know. Why, I don't know. Time for the tinfoil.


405 posted on 09/10/2004 2:11:48 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

just call him hack for short...


406 posted on 09/10/2004 2:12:03 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: BonnieJ

"What are you worried about...further (real) documentation that is more damning? A Republican source? A distraction?"

I don't know, and that's what's worrying me. This was a clummsy forgery, one sure to be detected. Why?


407 posted on 09/10/2004 2:13:10 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Warren_Piece

Don't you DARE turn this into an evolution thread!

You are right of course. As I follow these threads I keep thinking of the billion monkeys on a billion typewriters and eventually you have a document that matches the Word document perfectly. 8^>


408 posted on 09/10/2004 2:13:31 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: WoodstockCat

13 point type!!!


409 posted on 09/10/2004 2:13:58 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: laredo44

"Was kerning possible, where one letter would share horizontal space with the immediate previous letter?"

Nope. If you used the Executive for typesetting, you used something else for headlines that needed kerning. A Kroy or something like that.

Again, I'm just trying to eliminate the things that you COULD do. The kerning's an excellent example of what you couldn't do.


410 posted on 09/10/2004 2:14:36 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: mabelkitty

add to that list no punch holes on top of page and Bush would had an automatic order for a physical on his Birthday not from his CO.


411 posted on 09/10/2004 2:15:19 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: mabelkitty
I am not sure how this might impact the probable forgery, but in the .pdf file the P.O box is blacked out, but not enough to cover up the 34567. After one photocopy this number would not be visible. Photocopying machines, even when set to greyscale do not have the contrast resolution to be able to do this more than once. The only way this might be possible is if the document was put onto a digital scanner, obviously not available in the early 70s.
412 posted on 09/10/2004 2:15:32 PM PDT by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
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To: narby
The IBM ad shows at least 4 different widths. You said the Executive only did 3. The ad also mentions 12 available fonts, 3 of which are shown in the ad.

It's an irrelevant nit-pick, FWIW. Everybody on this thread agrees the documents were not made on that model of typewriter, but not for exactly the reason you gave.

The IBM Executive does proportional type, and could be fitted with special strikers to make the "superscript st." But several paragraphs of text, in the closest of the available fonts, would not match with the precision shown by MS word (yours) vs. the forgery. Therefore, the forgery was produced by MS Word.

413 posted on 09/10/2004 2:15:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: MineralMan
The only argument needed is the overlay. That would have been impossible.

That's all I'm trying to say.

You said you "could have created this document". But then you say about the overlay, "That would have been impossible".

If you can't make it overlay, then you can't "make that document".

414 posted on 09/10/2004 2:15:40 PM PDT by narby (CBS - The new Democrat 527)
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To: RobRoy

I just heard killian hand wrote all his notes and then sent the notes off to the NYT to get them propperly typeset and printed. He liked neat notes.



(just kidding)


415 posted on 09/10/2004 2:16:15 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: MineralMan
This was not done by an idiot. It was done by someone for some reason who wanted the forgery discovered. Who, I don't know. Why, I don't know. Time for the tinfoil.

That's a provocative point, one that I'd like to see played out. I agree with the rest of your post.

I hate typewriters, and cannot imagine having survived trying to layout a magazine on one!

416 posted on 09/10/2004 2:16:16 PM PDT by Petronski (I'd like to volunteer to build a barn and take you press guys out behind it and kick your asses.)
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To: WoodstockCat

Wow, this is chilling.


417 posted on 09/10/2004 2:16:44 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: MeekOneGOP

PERFECTO!!!


418 posted on 09/10/2004 2:16:50 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: abnegation

WOW!!! We were right!

It is Mary Mapes. She recieved the documents.


419 posted on 09/10/2004 2:17:03 PM PDT by jbstrick (War is not fought for peace. War is fought for victory.)
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To: MineralMan
This is too obvious, and I'm worried. Why was an obvious forged document send to CBS, and by whom? I'm worried.

I've been worried about this for the last 24 hours. But then the Niger memos out of Italy made their way to the UN when some said they were phony at first glance. I just don't know what to make of it, but I am more than suspicious.

420 posted on 09/10/2004 2:17:43 PM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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