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Chechen leaders’ relatives say stop terrorism, punish massacre perpetrators
AsiaNews.it ^ | September 7, 2004 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2004 8:26:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

Moscow (AsiaNews) – Events in Beslan have had an unusual and unexpected impact in Chechnya. The local population, which had largely backed the actions by Chechen terrorists, seems to have turned against them. Separatists’ families, including those of anti-Russian resistance leaders such as Maskhadov, Basayev, Umarov –who are thought to have orchestrated the Beslan attack– have publicly condemned the actions of their relatives.

Pamzan and Ruslan Maskhadov, cousins of former Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov called on him to end terrorism. “Today, life is back to normal in the Chechen Republic. It is possible to work and receive a salary,” the two brothers said. “Consequently, the reasons for terror are neither present nor justified.” They urged Mashkadov to put an end to his actions once and for all and stop the gangs “who have killed hundreds of innocent children.” They also asked Ossetians for forgiveness.

Zholzan Abdulkadyrova, Aslan Maskhadov’s sister, appealed to her brother telling him to stop the crimes against helpless people. In the early phase of the Beslan crisis, Ms Abdulkadyrova had offered herself as a hostage in place of the children held. “Chechens,” she said, “do not want to be the enemies either of Ossetians, Ingushs or Russians.”

Junus Kurazov, deputy mufti in Chechnya’s Vedensky district and husband to Shamil Basayev’s cousin, expressed his solidarity with the people of North Ossetia. “These child-killing gangsters are terrorists and should be punished. These people will never receive forgiveness for their sins; only Almighty Allah might do it.” He added that “terrorism has no national or ethnic colour. Whoever they are, no matter their nationality, ethnicity or religion, they should be punished.”

In his Vedensky mosque, mufti Kurazov led Friday prayers for the murdered children and the people of Ossetia. “Ossetians have always helped Chechens, and in these heavy days, Chechens must pray and support them,” Kurazov said.

Umar Gudaev, Basayev’s father-in-law, and Nasir Sideev, husband to Basayev’s aunt, joined Kurazov in expressing their outrage. “The terrorists have crossed the point of no return into the world of cruelty and brutality. They have used weapons against defenceless children and women,” they said.

Relatives of Doku Umarov, another Chechen leader suspected of involvement in the Beslan attack, have also condemned the terrorist actions.

Despite the genuine revulsion on the part of terrorists’ relatives anger and resentment have boiled over and led some Chechens to prepare reprisal attacks against rebel leaders’ relatives. “Their lives were in danger,” said Ilya Shabalkin, official representative of the Russian federal counterterrorist services (FSB), “and we had evidence that ‘spontaneous groups’ were being formed in various areas of Chechnya to kill Chechen leaders” relatives. However, because of our preventive actions we were able to take them into protective custody and save them from retaliation,” the FSB general said.

The death of the innocent has provoked sorrow and angst throughout Chechnya. Many Chechens have joined the chorus of voices condemning the Beslan attack. Several demonstrations have taken place in the republic to denounce the terrorists and condemn the massacre. One demonstrator was quoted as saying: “As Chechens we can relate to what happened in Beslan. And we are ready to help the people hurt by the terrorists.” (AF)


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beslan; caucasus; chechnya; islam; terrorism; wot
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To: m87339

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41 posted on 09/10/2004 5:37:23 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

NOW STOP MAKING SENSE!! Don't you know that all REAL freepers and true blue Americans must believe that all Muslims live only to kill us, and we are at war with Islam?
Come on! Get with the program!


:-)


42 posted on 09/10/2004 6:13:28 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: m87339

No modern person who can read and reason would follow that awful "religion" except those who want to kill us. "Moderate Muslim" = "5th Columnist."



And if you really believe that you won't be voting for George Bush this Nov., because George and I don't believe that..not to mention Dick, Condi, Don, Colin,...


43 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:21 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: silversky

Vow!

The Guardian journalists read Freerepublic?


44 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:33 AM PDT by bgarid
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To: m87339
"What we need today is another Internment for those who will not forswear their Islamic Ideology (Islam is not a theology)."

That's a violation of the First Amendment...and you don't get to define their religion any more than I get to define yours.

45 posted on 09/10/2004 6:45:31 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: m87339
"Read Malkin on the "Interrment." What we need today is another Interrment for those who will not forswear their Islamic Ideology (Islam is not a theology)."

Malkin is a POS who would have America behave exactly as Muslim extremists do.

46 posted on 09/10/2004 6:46:37 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: m87339
"...those who will not forswear their Islamic Ideology (Islam is not a theology)."

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I consider Protestants to practice an Ideology, not a Theology, and as such, I want to restrict their rights under the First Amendment.

47 posted on 09/10/2004 6:48:51 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Valin

No, these parts:

Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”

Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”

Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”

Ishaq:308/Tabari VII:65 “When the Apostle was in Safra, Nadr was assassinated. When Muhammad reached Irq al-Zabyah he killed Uqbah. When the Prophet ordered him to be killed, Uqbah said, ‘Who will look after my children, Muhammad?’ “Hellfire,’ the Apostle replied, and he was killed.”

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”

Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”


48 posted on 09/10/2004 6:51:48 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; m87339
The other totally wrong part of your statement, is your assumption that every single Muslim approves of terrorism...

As terrorism is an integreral part of their religion, and as their own Prophet that "wrote the book", not only approved of it but demanded it of devout Muslims, It can be safely said that "every single Muslim approves of terrorism.

The burden of proof then becomes how can a person who claims to be a Muslim, not support terrorism? How can one claim to be a Muslim, yet not believe in what is demanded of him by his Prophet?! He is not a Muslim, he is an apostate and according to Islam, should be killed by devout Muslims!

49 posted on 09/10/2004 6:58:37 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel; Luis Gonzalez
You can take Islam out of the terrosism and bloodlusting but you can't take terrorism and bloodlusting out of Islam . .

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FROM THE KORAN ITSELF...
"HEIL HITLER" Now Upgraded to "ALLAH AKBAR?"

You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

For much more on "PARADISE... A Better World?" click HERE

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50 posted on 09/10/2004 7:03:16 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Jihad - coming to a school near you - 54 days until November 2nd - 9/11 is this Saturday.)
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To: American in Israel

Why are these more valid than the ones I posted?

(note) I or anyone else that I know of here has said that Islam doesn't have problems. So we can do two things
1 Give support too those who are trying to reform Islam.
2 Open the consecration camps and start dropping nukes.

As long as we're quoting scripture
Heb.12:29] Our God is destroying fire.
[Psalm.94:1] O Lord, you God of vengeance.
[Job.7:21]Why do not you pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity?
[Ezek.11:8] God said, "You have feared the sword, the sword I will bring
upon you.".
[Amos.9:1] I will slay that left of them with the sword, not one of them shall flee away...I will command the sword, and it shall slay them.
[Jer.49:37] I will send the sword after them,until I have consumed them.16
[Ezek.12:14]I will unsheathe the sword after them. I will let a few of them
escape from the sword, from famine and pestilence.

[Judg3:31] Samson went and caught three hundred foxes, and took torches; and he turned them tail to tail, and took a torch between each pair of tails. And when he had set fire to the torches, he let the foxes go into the standing of the Philistines and burned up the shocks and the standing grain, as well as the olive orchards.

[judgl5:15] And he found a jawbone of an ass, and put out his hand and seized it and with it he slew a thousand men.
And Samson said "With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jawbone of an ass have I slain a thousand men."

Killing, Kidnaping, Slavery

[Josh.1 6:10] So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E'phraim to this day, but become slaves to do forced labour15.
[Judg.21:10] The congregation of of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men, and commanded them, "Go and smite the inhabitants

of Ja'besh-gil'ead with the edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. Every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy.

And they found among the inhabitants four hundred young vir gins who had not known a man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp of Shiloh, which is the land of Canaan.
And Benjamin returned at that time, and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Ja'besh-gile ad, but they did not suffice for them.

Stealing Women !!

And they commanded the Benjaminites, saying Go and lie in wait in the vineyard, and watch; if the daughters of Shiloh go out to dance in the dances, then come out of the T vineyard and seize each man his wife from the daughters of Shiloh.And the Benjaminites did so, and took their wives from the dancers whom they caught.

Kill Them & Take Their Properties

[Deut.20:10-14] When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it .And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you.

But if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it, You shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and every thing else in the city all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies.

And of course
[Matthew 10.34] Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth: I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.



51 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:02 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: Barlowmaker
Wrong. If Islamic worshippers ... 2.7 million resident in the 2000 census ... wanted to follow up 9/11 with a concerted, terror campaign we'd have American casualties in the MILLIONS.

Yeah, at least 2.7 million of them.

Frankly it is not if they will follow up my friend, it is when. Look at all the Churches in the Bible, the ones that the chapters were named after. They are all Islamic Nations now, with Arab residents. The origonal inhabitants have been slaughtered and replaced by Islamics. Who, by the way, moved in under a banner of peace, and finished the deal with rivers of blood. Your "Peaceful" Muslims have not been taught Jihad... yet. The brainwashing must take place before you can call evil good and good evil without being laughed at.

It takes a lot of indoctrination to make a mother strap explosives on her own child, but Satan is patient.

52 posted on 09/10/2004 7:17:42 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's a violation of the First Amendment

Islam is NOT a religion. It's a political platform for conquest just like the Nazi one. It's an ideology based on deception, crime , terror and pretense. It has to be forbidden.
53 posted on 09/10/2004 7:22:29 AM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Valin; Barlowmaker; American in Israel; Happy2BMe; bgarid; stumpy; dennisw
You are right, of course. It's a fair fight. "Bring it on", as GW says. I agree with you, we have the moral right to annihilate any country that supports Radical Islam. I'll skip on enslaving. It stinks, literally. The Qu'ran makes killing of Christians and Jews a DIVINE REQUIREMENT. It's a Satanic twist. The Bible permits it without making it divine. The Bible also Recommends it as a reasonable self defense. It's time for us to take out the sword.
54 posted on 09/10/2004 7:54:17 AM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: silversky

Says you.
1+ Billion human beings would disagree.


55 posted on 09/10/2004 7:58:57 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: m87339
Well said. Don't expect the apologists of child murder to agree with you. Their goal is to confuse and deceive the "infidel". Notice how they argue with us NOT with the killers. They want to prevent self defense. To make us cowards.
"Moderate Muslim" = "5th Columnist." = "Trojan horse"

See also #54
56 posted on 09/10/2004 8:18:58 AM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

These family members (clan, relatives) are PRECISELY the ones who should be liquidated to pay for the murder of 150 Russian children and 200 adults by Chechnyan Jihadists. Offing the Jihadist's family is the only language Mohammedans understand.


57 posted on 09/10/2004 8:23:41 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Indie
Chechnya. The local population, which had largely backed the actions by Chechen terrorists, seems to have turned against them...in a cowardly and desperate move to save their own skins.

Correct analysis. Take out the clan/extended family/tribe of these Jihadist murderers. The only way to punish and deter such scum.

58 posted on 09/10/2004 8:26:51 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: silversky

dittos


59 posted on 09/10/2004 8:29:01 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: American in Israel

Millions of Muslims in America, and one incident of terrorism perpetrated by one psycopath. Kind of throws off your whole all Muslims are terrorist notion.

I probably understand your point of view better than anyone's, you live in an area that would forge your opinion in the way it's forged. But the actions of the few can never be used to qualify the thoughts of the many.

P.S. We can argue all day about your "take" on the Qu'ran. You accept the extremist's interpretation, I don't see it that way. I see it exactly how the Muslims who do not participate in terrorism see it.


60 posted on 09/10/2004 9:08:36 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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