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To: Valin

No, these parts:

Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”

Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”

Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”

Ishaq:308/Tabari VII:65 “When the Apostle was in Safra, Nadr was assassinated. When Muhammad reached Irq al-Zabyah he killed Uqbah. When the Prophet ordered him to be killed, Uqbah said, ‘Who will look after my children, Muhammad?’ “Hellfire,’ the Apostle replied, and he was killed.”

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”

Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”


48 posted on 09/10/2004 6:51:48 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Why are these more valid than the ones I posted?

(note) I or anyone else that I know of here has said that Islam doesn't have problems. So we can do two things
1 Give support too those who are trying to reform Islam.
2 Open the consecration camps and start dropping nukes.

As long as we're quoting scripture
Heb.12:29] Our God is destroying fire.
[Psalm.94:1] O Lord, you God of vengeance.
[Job.7:21]Why do not you pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity?
[Ezek.11:8] God said, "You have feared the sword, the sword I will bring
upon you.".
[Amos.9:1] I will slay that left of them with the sword, not one of them shall flee away...I will command the sword, and it shall slay them.
[Jer.49:37] I will send the sword after them,until I have consumed them.16
[Ezek.12:14]I will unsheathe the sword after them. I will let a few of them
escape from the sword, from famine and pestilence.

[Judg3:31] Samson went and caught three hundred foxes, and took torches; and he turned them tail to tail, and took a torch between each pair of tails. And when he had set fire to the torches, he let the foxes go into the standing of the Philistines and burned up the shocks and the standing grain, as well as the olive orchards.

[judgl5:15] And he found a jawbone of an ass, and put out his hand and seized it and with it he slew a thousand men.
And Samson said "With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jawbone of an ass have I slain a thousand men."

Killing, Kidnaping, Slavery

[Josh.1 6:10] So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E'phraim to this day, but become slaves to do forced labour15.
[Judg.21:10] The congregation of of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men, and commanded them, "Go and smite the inhabitants

of Ja'besh-gil'ead with the edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. Every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy.

And they found among the inhabitants four hundred young vir gins who had not known a man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp of Shiloh, which is the land of Canaan.
And Benjamin returned at that time, and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Ja'besh-gile ad, but they did not suffice for them.

Stealing Women !!

And they commanded the Benjaminites, saying Go and lie in wait in the vineyard, and watch; if the daughters of Shiloh go out to dance in the dances, then come out of the T vineyard and seize each man his wife from the daughters of Shiloh.And the Benjaminites did so, and took their wives from the dancers whom they caught.

Kill Them & Take Their Properties

[Deut.20:10-14] When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it .And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you.

But if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it, You shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and every thing else in the city all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies.

And of course
[Matthew 10.34] Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth: I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.



51 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:02 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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