New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[Shezan]

I owned a Selectric in the early 70s, so yes, they were common.

That being said, the discrepancy in signatures seems too great for it to be the same. Also, if Killian had a Selectric in 1972, why was he back to a mechanical monospace typewriter a year later?

[jdege]

Would an ANG squadron have a P.O. box as an address? That seems a bit odd.

And a P.O. Box of 34567 seems even odder.

It's not impossible, though. In 1991, it seems, PO Box 34567 in Houston was assigned to Ashland Chemical:

http://www.hd.co.harris.tx.us/pcd/ViolationNotices/1991HCPCDVNs.htm

[girlscout]

The second does look feminine, but that makes me think a secretary may have signed it for him. Not sure about military practice in such matters, but for what it's worth, during the several years I worked as a secretary, I frequently signed letters at my boss's request.

I suppose it's always possible. I'm not sure how that worked in the military in 1972-1973; more specifically the Air National Guard.

[DennisR]

Why?

http://www.fact-index.com/i/ib/ibm_selectric_typewriter.html

[finnman69]

Try this thread where the examples are posted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211150/posts

[alancarp]

The difference is laughable -- no typewriter in existence could have made that!

[TaxRelief]

Since it is a PDF doc, enlarge the doc and look at the letter "y" in the word obviously (line1) and compare that "y" in the word today (line 5)

Was the doc altered? Man, are you guys making me feel old!

You young folks are giving me a good chuckle today.

In "the old days", the only way to fix a typo was by altering the document.

If you saw the typo before you pulled your paper out, you erased it, then lined up the letters as well as you could to type the correct letter.

If you saw your typo after you pulled your paper out, you erased it, then put your paper back in the closest machine and lined it up as well as you could, then typed the correct letter. Unless you were a professional, everybody's papers had those type of corrections.

The big, misaligned "y" adds to the authenticity of the document, rather than detracts from it.

[shezza]

...if Killian had a Selectric in 1972, why was he back to a mechanical monospace typewriter a year later?

Try a MONTH later:

[TaxRelief]

The typewriter in question came out in 1968. I have posted the technical documents. A quick look at them will clear up any misunderstanding.

The typewriter had a pin memory system so it knew how far to jump back each time you pressed the backspace key. No measuring, no guessing.

Here's some technical info (1968) here and here.

These machines were about $300 in 1969.

[MountainPete]

Thanks again!

[octobersky]

THANK YOU, MistyCA, for the ping!!!
Here's a BIG, BIG BTTT!!!

[PJ-Comix]

The MAN for the authentication job to verify if these documents are forgeries are not is FRANK ABAGNALE, the guy featured in Catch Me If You Can. Here is the info from his website. Someone here should CONTACT him.

 

 

Frank W. Abagnale is one of the world's most respected authorities on the subjects of forgery, embezzlement and secure documents.  For over twenty-five years he has lectured to and consulted with hundreds of financial institutions, corporations and government agencies around the world. 

Mr. Abagnale has been associated with the FBI for over 25 years.  He lectures extensively at the FBI Academy and for the field offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  More than 14,000 financial institutions, corporations and law enforcement agencies use his fraud prevention programs.  In 1998, he was selected as a distinguished member of "Pinnacle 400" by CNN Financial News.

Mr. Abagnale believes that punishment for fraud and recovery of stolen funds are so rare, prevention is the only viable course of action.

	September 04' Frank W. Abagnale will join the Editorial Board of the "Bank Fraud & IT Security Report" Published by Thomson/Pratt.
	Frank W. Abagnale is the author of a new book, Real U Guide™ to Identity Theft, that lets readers find out how to protect themselves from the number one crime in the U.S. today. Full information is available at: http://www.realuguides.com/guides/identity_theft_fa/index.php
	July 2004. Frank W. Abagnale has been selected as the national spokesperson by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners for the "Stop. Call. Confirm" campaign to fight fake insurance.

• Lectured and consulted regarding document security and fraud issues with hundreds of financial institutions, governments, and corporations internationally for over 25 years.
• Lectures extensively at the FBI Academy and for the field offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
• Outside consultant on secure document issues for key players in the secure document and credit card manufacturing industries: Standard Register -- U.S.A.; Data Business Forms -- Canada; and Leigh-Mardon -- Australia and Pacific Rim.
• Other clients include Discover Financial Services, Inc., PRG-Schultz, Progeny, Trilegiant Corporation and Audemars Piguet.
• Mr. Abagnale is also an advisor to the Board of Directors of NuTech Solutions, Inc.
• Designed the new ADP payroll check issued 750 million times a year worldwide.
• Designed programs that have been used by more than 11,000 financial institutions and corporations, and over 3,000 law enforcement agencies.
• Designed programs for thousands of negotiable instruments including the IPS (Integrated Payment System) Official Check used by over 3,000 major U.S. financial institutions in replacement of their cashier's checks.
• Designed and developed, in conjunction with a major west coast bank, the SAFEChecks Program used today by thousands of municipal and county governments.
• Designed the new SuperCheck, a highly secure personal check for consumers, available through check printers such as Liberty, and your local financial institution.
• First-hand personal knowledge and experience in exploring methods for altering documents and overcoming security measures and, subsequently, in evaluating secure document features, techniques, practices and safeguards useful in combating fraud.
• Visited on-site to inspect and review the accounts payable operations of more than 65% of the nation's Fortune 500 Companies.

"I did not make this film about Frank Abagnale because of what he did . . but because of what he has done with his life the past 30 years."
Steven Spielberg

[AMDG&BVMH]

concur

[PJ-Comix]

Here is the e-mail address to contact Frank Abagnale:

info@abagnale.com

[claudiustg]

Kerry to staff: These freepers know about kerning. You told me no one would know that!

[girlscout]

Thanks for the ping Misty. Do you reckon their big doc experts were Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder?

[AMDG&BVMH]

"This is again a tempest in a teapot but the DEMS want to make something out of it. "

They prob. think this is a smoking gun of some kind, because they have no experience with the military and how it works. It makes them look incredibly STUPID.

Maybe they know that and are merely trying to snooker JoeSixpack.

This is nothing: a guys memos to himself. Kerry's problems are with modifications to OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS which were in official personnel files.

[Sonar5]

I agree....

very odd with a PO Box of 5 consecutive digits.

34567

It's too easy..

What is more odd is the difference in Killian's Signatures compared to other documents...

Initials, signatures... All seem quite different to me....

[2Hot4You]

I don't know if this has already been done; if not, let me be the first:

John "Forged" Kerry

I think Effin's campaign is about to reach crush depth...

[TastyManatees]

INDC had a forensic document examiner review the memos, Dr. Philip Bouffard, and he concluded that there was a greater than 90% probability they were forgeries. He compared the typeface and spacing to every typewriter since the 1950's, and found no matches.

See his conclusions here.