New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[Mo1]

Thanks for the ping ..

I don't know anything about typewriters back then ... but find this discussion very interesting

[Atlas Sneezed]

Might the Kerry discharge be a partially-preprinted form, with the personal indivudual stuff typed in later?

[NonLinear]

Just wondering how the LtCol's copy machine kept the same platen flaw (observe vertical rows of dots down the center in a fairly specific pattern) from May 4, 1972 to Aug 18, 1973, but somehow did not have it (the vertical rows of dots are gone) Aug 1, 1972 or Aug 19, 1972.

Even if the two intermediate docs were copied on a different copier, it seems quite unusual for the same wear marks to be there a year later.

If the wear marks were on the Pentagon copier, then they really should appear on all four of the memo's under the assumption that they were copied together before being distributed to CBS.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Nonsense.

The "official" and usual way to write "111th F.I.S." did NOT use any superscripts in ANY other "real" documents from that period.

By the way, before programming became common ... how many 1970's era-military fighter pilots used "feedback" in memo's they were writing to themselves?

[maryz]

A superscript "th" and "st" were available. They were treated as a single character and were one of the characters above the numbers.

In other words, you had to give up one of the symbols normally above the numbers, i.e., those that most people find most useful. I know they made a lot of different elements, but it's hard to believe they'd have two in the same typeface and size but substituting "th" and "st" for, say # and *. Did that one have an "nd" (as in 2nd)?

[Bogey78O]

They existed. Not in a dime/dozen capacity but people who had to work in an office had a few laying around.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Thanks! Well, it's definitely been confirmed twice!

[Right Wing Professor]

One other thing. August 18, 1973 was a Saturday. That memo, in particular, was not produced by a 9-5, Monday to Friday typist. On the other hand, Aug. 1 1973 was a Wednesday. Would a TANG officer have been using the same typewriter on a weekday, when he was likely at the day job, as on a weekend?

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

Forgive me if this has already been pointed out (it's a work day and I don't have time to go through the whole thread), but in Memos 1 & 4, "111th" and "187th" are typed with the "th" in superscript! Try that on 1970s vintage hardware.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

You could be right. They just don't convey the feel of bona fide military writing to me.

When I was in the Army, there was a field manual with "letters for all occasions" which pretty much gave the exact language for any letter sent. I typed up a lot of notices of security clearance revocations, the standard reason given being, "Your continued abuse of illegal drugs." Once in while we got something interesting like, "Your participation in lewd, indecent and immoral acts." (Couple of guys caught getting it on while on guard duty. Probably get a medal in Clinton's Army.)

[1stMarylandRegiment]

The IBM Selectric did NOT have the ability to produce proportionally-spaced type. The second iteration (Selectric II) had a lever that you could "select" 10 characters per inch or 12 characters per inch. Please note that either choice is a fixed-spacing decision!!

Here is the link to the WikiEncyclopedia on IBM Selectric I found by Google "Selectric"

Link to WikiPedia entry

[Right Wing Professor]

By the way, before programming became common ... how many 1970's era-military fighter pilots used "feedback" in memo's they were writing to themselves?

The Oxford English Dictionary lists the first non-technical use of 'feedback' as 1971, in a rock magazine.

I agree, the language of the 8/18 memo is all wrong for a TANG Lt. Col. in 1973.

[Travis McGee]

I never heard of "memo to file." The standard and often used terminology was "memorandum for the record."

[B Knotts]

I also note that if I type my own copy of the document in a word processor using the same font (Times New Roman), the tabs line up exactly the same as in the CBS document.

I don't care what the White House says (they may have recieved copies of the same documents from the Pentagon), I believe this is a forgery.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Oh yeah.

Right. The ORIGINAL AUTHOR of a PRIVATE MEMO to himself had to "cut and paste" HIS OWN SIGNATURE from HIS OWN EARLIER DOCUMENTS onto the bottom of a private MEMO .... Then go to a copier (?) and copy the new document onto ITSELF so HE could refile all three documents HIMSELF?

Come on. Think about it.

Think about what you're saying.

[Darlin']

"New Questions On Bush Guard Duty" Hum, that just doesn't look accurate to me ..... Oh, I see.... "CBS Invents New Questions On Bush Guard Duty Based On 3rd Rate Pol's Lies" There, now, thats accurate. :)

[Darksheare]

LOL!
This is true!
I did get blamed for the fish chowing down on that kid the other day, and had to deny involvement in the Nasa probe's parachute deployment failure..

And then there's the never ending fountain of weirdness and bad ideas that stream from my noggin, which has become useful for zot threads oddly enough.
*hugs*

[P-Marlowe]

What I know is that those are names, places, locations, details, reports, etc., mentioned in these 5 memos that are very specific and related to events of 32 years ago.

That is information that could be gleaned from the records released by Bush earlier this year. I know that typewriters were capable of typing superscript, but were they capable of typing reduced font superscript. My understanding is that if you wanted to type a superscript, for a footnote, for instance, the typewriter ball would merely adjust up 1/2 space and type it above the line. But to reduce the font for the purpose of typing a "th" in a reduced font size? I don't remember any typewriter with that capability. You would have to have a single ball with all numbers and letters available in both regular and reduced font size as well as separate additional combinationletters of "th" "st" "rd", etc.

Were those machines available in 1972? That's one question. Another question would be whether, if in fact they were commercially available, they were actually purchased by the Texas National guard for standard interoffice memorandums?

But when push comes to shove, even if it were all true, Bush did nothing criminal and at worst he was a slacker. I dare say all of us were slackers when we were that age if we thought we could get away with it. At least Bush didn't work for the North Vietnamese Commies in 1972 like Kerry did.

[maica]

Thanks!

[eastsider]

The Wang word processor hit the markets in 1976. Prior to that, there were other word processors, but I don't know anything about them.

As I recall, the word processor that had the corner on the legal market at that time was Vydec -- a large, brutish machine whose biggest drawback was that each page had to be stored individually (no automatic pagination). If you forgot to save the page, you lost everything, and there was no way to get it back other than to retype it.