[Better to Be Lucky Than Good]

Wow -- I sure hope he's right. Only time will tell..

[theDentist]

Leftward tilt? That isn't some gradual slope, it's a dive into a socialist crevasse!

[ken5050]

Shhhhhh! Keep it secret. Don't tell them..

[plain talk]

bump

[EdReform]

BTTT

[KJacob]

The National Journal rated Kerry as the most liberal senator of 2003 and his running mate John Edwards was No. 4. Keep in mind that this Senate includes archliberals Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.

Are Kennedy and Clinton 2 and 3 in this survey?

The results of that political fiasco led to the rise of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and the promotion of Southern moderates within the party like Jimmy Carter

So Jimmy Carter is a moderate? Compared to whom?

[68skylark]

This headline gives us 40 year old news.

[GoLightly]

I see plenty of grumbling round here from the hard right, but in the end most of them are capable of being pragmatic enough to put up with the centrist nonsense & they stay on board. They are capable of weighing all of the issues & in the end, they hold their nose & vote for the good of the party. Beyond the safety of the homeland, judicial nominations are the big *quiet* issue in this coming election. I will sacrifice on a personal level to get national security & the courts in the hands of the right leader.

The left has the impatience of a teenager. If they don't get everything their way, they take to the streets in mass temper tantrums. As with any squeaky wheel, they must be oiled by those who desire their votes.

[Blood of Tyrants]

In 2000, the left wing loonies decided that the problem with Gore was that he was to centrist. When they lost even more seats in 2002, they decided that their left-wing looney message just wasn't getting out and if people just understood they would certainly vote for the socialists/liberals. Just recently they decided that screaming the left wing message at the tops of their lungs at every occassion wasn't enough, either; they needed to get downright mean and nasty to win converts.

They will be usint he Muslim model for 'winning' converts by the next election.

[Graymatter]

I've been picking this same bone on a few other threads. The Dems just don't learn. McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis---and now Kerry. Ok, he wasn't chosen BECAUSE he's the most liberal thing around (the DUers found him squishy), but it sure didn't take points away from him. A sensible group of people would have discounted Kerry for being a Massachusetts liberal; the Dems voted as if "D-Mass" were a badge of distinction. And they figured he'd appeal to the center by being a vet! Of all the vets they could have had, they took Kerry! They didn't want a true hawk, just a guy in feathers.

I tell you, something's seriously wrong with the Dems when they only manage to slip in one president in 20 years. They cannot learn.

[Defiant]

I think we are in transition. The leftist Dems will stay in their party structure, and some enterprising pol will see that there is an opening in the middle, which Bush is currently exploiting. Evan Bayh and those of his ilk. If a "new Democrat" party formed, and it was serious about excluding the Michael Moore's, while preaching fiscal responsibility, strong defense, and immigration controls, it would overtake the Dems and take the Arnold wing of the GOP, too. It would be good for the country to have the debate between a centrist Dim party and a conservative GOP.

[Fast1]

Tilt?? more like Pinko communists