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U.S. calls for diplomacy with Chechens(State Department)
AP ^ | 09/07/04 | BARRY SCHWEID

Posted on 09/07/2004 12:03:16 PM PDT by Pikamax

WASHINGTON AP) - The Bush administration differed Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin and said that only a political settlement could end the crisis between Russia and the breakaway region of Chechnya.

The administration also left open the possibility of U.S. meetings with Chechens who are not linked to terrorists.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and Deputy Secretary Richard Armitage signed a book of condolences at the Russian Embassy over the deaths of at least 330 people, most of them children, during a hostage-taking last week at a school in the southern city of Beslan.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: armitage; beslan; brzezinski; chechnya; ossetia; powell; russia
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To: Pikamax
Bump .... the State Department scumbags need to be FIRED over this.

And if Bush actually blesses this kind of statement, (GOD I hope not) he can kiss my A$$ in November.

141 posted on 09/07/2004 1:23:02 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: MineralMan
Uh...that's exactly what they did say, remember?

Uh... They didn't. We used their Northern Alliance, their bases, their intel in Afghanistan. No other country has helped more in the WOT. Even after Iraq, their contribution is unmatched by anyone.
142 posted on 09/07/2004 1:25:38 PM PDT by silversky (DU influence is a crime.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

>Saddam didn't fear Islamists toppling him...

Indeed. It's amazing how effective a teaching tool a mass grave is.


143 posted on 09/07/2004 1:25:41 PM PDT by applemac_g4 (Oderint dum metuat!)
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To: Pikamax

"The Bush administration differed Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

Outrageous. I think we need to demonstrate support here--complete alliance against Islamic terrism.

It's bad enough those of us in North America didn't organize any official remembrance/moment of silence.

Hundreds of thousands of people paraded through the streets of Rome, holding candles. Granted, that may not have been government-organized, but it would have been a great gesture to have something official to demonstrate to Russian leaders and people our solidarity with them in this struggle.


144 posted on 09/07/2004 1:26:50 PM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: Centurion2000

"And if Bush actually blesses this kind of statement, (GOD I hope not) he can kiss my A$$ in November.
"

Do you honestly believe that the State Department issues such things without administration approval? Look at the administration's plan for Iraq and Afghanistan. This is coming straight from the administration.

Russia MUST negotiate with the elected leaders of the Chechen region to try to establish some sort of peace there. Yes, the terrorists must be killed, but they're a small minority of the region's population.

For Pete's sake, we can't just blast the whole region to smithereens.


145 posted on 09/07/2004 1:26:54 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Centurion2000

Who do you think is in charge of the State Department?

The same dude in charge of ALL the Executive Branch departments, the President.


146 posted on 09/07/2004 1:26:57 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: Pikamax

Guess the Russians are getting a taste of their own 9/11 medicine.


147 posted on 09/07/2004 1:27:31 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: MineralMan

They ARE all terrorists until they quit fighting.


148 posted on 09/07/2004 1:28:17 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: MineralMan

>For me the answer is simple. I will defer to the President
>and his staff. I simply do not have enough information to do
>otherwise.

This sort of sentiment is unworthy of a citizen of a democratic nation. If you don't have enough information, educate yourself until you do,

>Certainly we can't just level the entire Middle-East. So we
>must, somehow, begin to make our peace with it.

Why not? Peace with Islam exists contingent on two terms:
-Surrender and Conversion
-Surrender and Enslavement
which is it that you prefer?


149 posted on 09/07/2004 1:29:55 PM PDT by applemac_g4 (Oderint dum metuat!)
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To: conserv13
"The State Dept. is right. Russia and Chechnya have had a bad relationship for a hundred years. The Russians will end up pulling out like they did in Afghanistan."

They can't. Even if they pull out of Chechnya the terrorism would continue. The only difference is that the terrorists would have a safe place to stage their terror from. Islamic extremists use Chechnya just as Al-Queada used Afghanistan. That is why Russian troops are there.
150 posted on 09/07/2004 1:30:41 PM PDT by monday
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
It's bad enough those of us in North America didn't organize any official remembrance/moment of silence.

I Agree, we really don't care unless it effects us, we should be ashamed. Maybe the Lord will withdraw His protection from us, if in fact, we still have it?
151 posted on 09/07/2004 1:31:51 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: applemac_g4

I'd be for burying those monsters in Chechnya alive in a mass grave. I'll dig the hole and then toss the dirt. Who's with me?


152 posted on 09/07/2004 1:32:18 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: MineralMan

If it is as you suggest, then we should not have gone there in the first place...I am for killing as many terrorists as possible. They will be the one's shooting at us-not difficult to identify. The government will be left in place-with our backing. This means going back and killing more terrorist if neccesary. If we allow Iraq to become an Islamic state then we have indeed lost...the situation will be worse than it was when saddam was in power.


153 posted on 09/07/2004 1:32:26 PM PDT by nyconse (i)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

"They ARE all terrorists until they quit fighting."

Who are? What are their names? Don't you understand. Terrorists don't wear uniforms or name badges. They come out, do their deeds, then fade back into the general population.

How do you identify them so you can kill them? Unbelievable. Take Iraq, for example. The terrorists there are walking around on the street. They remain a small percentage of the population, but how do you know which Iraqi is a terrorist and which is just a poor schlub trying to feed his family?

That's why we don't kill people like Sadr. Do that and you create a bunch of new terrorists. Bush could have ordered him killed at any time, but did not. Now Sadr will have some sort of official capacity in the new Iraq government. Yesterday he was a terrorist. Now he's OK.

To kill a terrorist, you must first find him. It isn't that easy, especially when you don't even speak the language of the country you're in.


154 posted on 09/07/2004 1:32:28 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Centurion2000

You can vote for whoever you want to vote for in November, but at least engage your common sense when posting.

The Chechen terrorists are not the government of Chechnya, nor are they the people of Chechnya...that is unless we equate one with the other my blaming the whole of the Chechen people for the actions of the terrorists.

The way that terrorists gain power is by committing atrocities in the hopes that the atrocities are blamed on a much larger group of people than themselves.

When we blame all of Islam for the action of Muslim extremists, we empower them. When we blame all of Chechnya for the actions of the Chechen terrorists, we equally empower them.

If these talks fail as they did in Afghanistan, then a military solution is all that's left.


155 posted on 09/07/2004 1:32:51 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: MineralMan
Nuking an entire country or region is not even an option.

That's the only option left to the Russians, IMO. Were we fit in, is the messy part now.
156 posted on 09/07/2004 1:33:16 PM PDT by silversky (DU influence is a crime.)
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To: Pikamax

Simply disgusting. That's it for me today.


157 posted on 09/07/2004 1:33:20 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: Dr Snide

I think Powell and the klintoon hold-overs need to go find another career field.


158 posted on 09/07/2004 1:33:26 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: MineralMan

>For Pete's sake, we can't just blast the whole region to
>smithereens.

Why?

Germany had this side of 4 million civilian casualties in World War II.

The population of Mecca is only about 550,000.


159 posted on 09/07/2004 1:34:53 PM PDT by applemac_g4 (Oderint dum metuat!)
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To: Blzbba

So, why did the Germans and Japanese quit? hmmmmmmmm?


160 posted on 09/07/2004 1:35:11 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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