Posted on 09/03/2004 7:15:01 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman
Cheney’s “five deferments.”
[b][color=orange]In the summer of 1967 D ick Cheney was a married 26 year old man with a daughter.[/color] [/b] Twenty-six year old men cannot be drafted but (gasp) he was married and had a daughter BEFORE he turned 26 and that means he had two deferments!!!
[b](Everyone who had a daughter in 1966 was draft dodger right?).[/b]
Anyway, a half-truth is as good as a truth to John Kerry, so all you need to know is the two deferments part right?
Except, that many many years before the draft, D ick Cheney had also - attended Community College - and then University. Since any slick lawyer-type can tell you transferring schools can legally be counted as two deferments, that brings the total to four. (Never mind that he acquired both of these [b][u]years[/u][/b] before Vietnam was a war, or had draft, or could even be found on the amp by most Americans).
So what is number 5? Well in 1965 the US sent its first contingent of 3,500 Marines to Vietnam. (The draft would begin in earnest in 1966-67), Only a few years earlier in 1964-65, that damn D ick Cheney began applying for graduate schools and grad school acceptance counts as another. (This time Mr. Kerry DID successfully count to five).
So, if you believe John Kerry’s version of events, D ick Cheney began dodging the Vietnam draft five (or six) years before troops were being drafted and sent there. (Look this is politics and ad hominem attacks are allowed but if that is the best you got then you ain't got ad hominems)
[b]The fact is that D ick Cheney: - was accepted to community college - was accepted to the U of Wyoming - was accepted to graduate school - was married - was an expectant father all MORE THAN A YEAR before the draft began.[/b]
I note here that Cheney was married and an expectant father both during grad school and after Kerry COULD count that as SEVEN deferments, (but that would imply the ability to count to seven).
I suppose a 26 year-old daddy with a graduate degree and a newborn daughter COULD have volunteered to go to Vietnam, but I don’t think it is altogether honest to portray him as a draft dodger, do you?
Once again you are wrong:
Again:
Of the 26.8 million men who were eligible for the draft between 1964 and 1973, only 2.2 million were drafted while 8.7 million joined voluntarily, according to "Chance and Circumstance: the Draft, the War, and the Vietnam Generation," a 1978 book by Lawrence M. Baskir and William A. Strauss. Mr. Cheney was among the vast majority of 16 million men " about 60 percent of those eligible " who avoided the draft by legal means.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Even if your html didn't work.
It's pure media obfuscation. The real issue is the number of soldiers drafted and sent to Vietnam in each year from 1964 to 1975. Volar (Vol Army) started in approximately 1970-71. I know because I joined in 1970 under the old system...my first pay check was about 90 bucks a month.
Volar kicked in while I was at Ft Myer in DC in '71. My pay went from that 90+ all the way up to about 180 bucks in one fell swoop. Then it got kicked again when I got to Germany in 1972...up into the mid 300's if I remember correctly. That was when the mark/dollar ratio was about 4.5 to one. The Volunteer Army was off and running and the draft stopped dead in those years...maybe 1973 or 74...I don't exactly remember.
If Cheney was 26 in 1969 then he was ineligible by age in 1970. If he was married with a dependent in 1969 then he was ineligible by virtue of that family with dependents.
The draft didn't really heat up until about 1966 or 67 so there was really only a 2 year window for the man to have had his number come up.
Not every eligible was drafted in those years. I'm interested in how they chose which names to send letters to. They were using a lottery in 1968 and 1969 I'm sure because I remember my birthdate number being below 100 each of the two years before I was eligible (1970.)
I think you're got it!
My husband served in Naval Air Reserve and spent 18 months in Japan... so how did Kerry only spend 4 months? oh, yes, he was injured???
Perhaps that's because Clinton actually DID receive his draft notice and just up and left the country?
An absolutely lie.
Great response!!! Just great!
Preach it!
I'd almost bet my house that Kerry KNEW how to get out.
http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwatl.htm
That's troop numbers; maybe we can find the number elgible v. the number drafted somewhere.
Not sure if your question has been answered as I've not read the entire thread.... But here's some statistical data on the Selective Service Inductions going back to WWI....
The following shows the numbers of men who entered military service through the Selective Service System during major 20th century conflicts in which the U.S. was engaged.
Conflict and Number of Inductions:
| WWI: (Sept. 1917-Nov. 1918) | 2,810,296 |
| WWII: (Nov. 1940-Oct. 1946) | 10,110,104 |
| Korea: (June 1950-June 1953) | 1,529,539 |
| Vietnam: (Aug 1964- Feb 1973) | 1,857,304 |
Inductions (by year) from World War I through the end of the draft (1973)
| Year: | Number of Inductions | |
|
1917: |
516,212 2,294,084 18,633 923,842 3,033,361 3,323,970 1,591,942 945,862 183,383 0 20,348 9,781 219,771 551,806 438,479 471,806 253,230 152,777 137,940 138,504 142,246 96,153 86,602 118,586 82,060 119,265 112,386 230,991 382,010 228,263 296,406 283,586 162,746 94,092 49,514 646 |
|
The last man inducted entered the Army on June 30, 1973.
For more information about induction statistics, call Selective Service at (703)605-4100.
Cheney's heart condition is deferment #6 I suppose
I can relate .. you should see the emails I've been sending out
Kerry/Edwards is not going to get away with this
Thats it.
Oh, I have no doubt.
F*ck you
Thanks, deport.
It looks like the bump up for Vietnam began in 1965 and ended about 1970. The nation was taking about 100,000 per year just for normal fill. It bumped up another 100,000 in 1965.
On to figuring out how they decided who got the lucky letters in 65-67 and 68-73.
The years prior to 1970 were based upon the system of usually the oldest available body without a deferment on the local draft board list got the call.... This is during the time of deferments, etc. Beginning in 1970 the lottery system was in effect..... The first lottery was held on Dec. 1, 1969 for those to be drafted in 1970 and included the birth years 1944 to 1950, if I remember correctly. There after the next birth year 1951's lottery was held for drafting in 1971... and so for each year up to the draft ended in 1973.......
The results for the four lottery drawings can be viewed here;
http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm
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