Posted on 09/03/2004 7:15:01 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman
Cheney’s “five deferments.”
[b][color=orange]In the summer of 1967 D ick Cheney was a married 26 year old man with a daughter.[/color] [/b] Twenty-six year old men cannot be drafted but (gasp) he was married and had a daughter BEFORE he turned 26 and that means he had two deferments!!!
[b](Everyone who had a daughter in 1966 was draft dodger right?).[/b]
Anyway, a half-truth is as good as a truth to John Kerry, so all you need to know is the two deferments part right?
Except, that many many years before the draft, D ick Cheney had also - attended Community College - and then University. Since any slick lawyer-type can tell you transferring schools can legally be counted as two deferments, that brings the total to four. (Never mind that he acquired both of these [b][u]years[/u][/b] before Vietnam was a war, or had draft, or could even be found on the amp by most Americans).
So what is number 5? Well in 1965 the US sent its first contingent of 3,500 Marines to Vietnam. (The draft would begin in earnest in 1966-67), Only a few years earlier in 1964-65, that damn D ick Cheney began applying for graduate schools and grad school acceptance counts as another. (This time Mr. Kerry DID successfully count to five).
So, if you believe John Kerry’s version of events, D ick Cheney began dodging the Vietnam draft five (or six) years before troops were being drafted and sent there. (Look this is politics and ad hominem attacks are allowed but if that is the best you got then you ain't got ad hominems)
[b]The fact is that D ick Cheney: - was accepted to community college - was accepted to the U of Wyoming - was accepted to graduate school - was married - was an expectant father all MORE THAN A YEAR before the draft began.[/b]
I note here that Cheney was married and an expectant father both during grad school and after Kerry COULD count that as SEVEN deferments, (but that would imply the ability to count to seven).
I suppose a 26 year-old daddy with a graduate degree and a newborn daughter COULD have volunteered to go to Vietnam, but I don’t think it is altogether honest to portray him as a draft dodger, do you?
I'm not sure. I'll look into it.
Not like he ran off to Oxford, or anything......
Then he wrote a letter stating that he "LOATHES" the military. Can't remember to whom.
Better read your history a bit more closely. George Herbert Walker Bush was a first term congressman from Texas when his son enlisted in the ANG. He did not serve as CIA director until 1976.
so let me understand this...
kerry say the war is wrong, says people behaved like savages, and we should pull out and NOW
he is NOW saying cheney should have went...
can some one explain this to me...
"...doesn't two tours usually mean that person was actually in country..."
This has been answered many times here on FR. For those in the Navy, serving in the waters off Vietnam (Gridley) was a tour of duty & considered to be 'in country'. The 2 tour item is factual.
In 1969 troop deployment held steady and in 1972 when Bush was in the National Guard troops were being brought home. I think it was 1973 when it all began to wind down. Chances of Bush or anyone being sent were almost nil at that time.
"Honest Joe" (as they call Lieberman in his home state) seems like a pretty good guy. Except for his stand on abortion, he seems to bepretty conservative with his politics.
"When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris [deferment], the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy." Harvard Crimson, February 18, 1970.
Do you mean the Serbian genocide?
NOT intended as slur on NAVY, but on Kerrycritter's motivation,OK?
College deferments ended with the lottery, unless you had a defense related major or a defense contractor internship. Here many guys got hired at McDonnell Aircraft and stayed out that way.
And the Bush's weren't really that connected in terms of old money. Great Grandpappa Bush had some kind of parts manufacturing in Ohio in the late 1800's if I remember correctly. He did all right, but no better than a successful small businessman of today.
Please see the link in my post #35. The draft lottery was most certainly still in effect in early 1973. If Edwards was born in 1953 and not deferred, he was eligible.
"Two tours in Vietnam in 1968 and '69" is the way Kerry was accustomed to putting it, giving the impression he had served two years in combat.
Name one active step Cheney took that was designed specifically for the purpose of not being drafted.
And to compare it to Clinton who did just that? Absurd.
I was born in 1952, so Edward's is just a year younger. Yes...he WAS eligible for the draft. That's what my memory says.
But he was in the LOTTERY era, and someone just said that the deferments ended when the LOTTERY began in 1969.
Cheney stayed home with 250,000,000 other Americans while we went to war.
1/8th inf 4th ID, 67-68
To be perfectly frank, I'm tired of the "Bush avoided serving..." mantra. It is a slap in the face of, and a calumniation of, all the National Guardsmen, both Army and Air Force, as well as Coast Guardsmen who served during that era.
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