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Okay, so I'm a selfish hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate
Vanity | Sept 2, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/02/2004 1:57:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Okay, so I'm a Selfish Hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate

Nothing (well almost nothing) would please me more than seeing Alan Keyes win a seat in the U.S. Senate!

Why?

And despite his remarks on reparations or affirmative action, I would be extremely happy and take great pleasure in seeing Alan Keyes defeat Barack Obama. I believe whole heartedly that unlike Obama, Senator Keyes would preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America to the utmost of his ability and would dedicate himself to working with all of us in securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, and if that makes me a selfish hedonist, then so be it.



I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes.


TOPICS: US: Illinois; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Jim Robinson

>>>Now that's the way I see it. Let's see Obama ve Keyes? Boxer vs Keyes? Hillary vs Keyes? Kennedy vs Keyes? Daschle vs Keyes? Harkin vs Keyes? Choice is simple. This ain't exactly rocket science.

What about Bush vs. Keyes? Would you have supported him in a primary challenge of the President from the right?.


81 posted on 09/02/2004 2:48:53 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: NC28203

I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary in 2000.


82 posted on 09/02/2004 2:51:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Lurking Libertarian
What would you prefer: a moderate Republican who defeats Obama, or a true conservative who sends Obama to the Senate with the greatest margin of victory in modern electoral history?

The trouble with pragmatism is its failure to acknowledge the implications of choices. "Whatever works" is so incredibly myopic.

83 posted on 09/02/2004 2:51:44 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Lurking Libertarian
What would you prefer: a moderate Republican who defeats Obama, or a true conservative who sends Obama to the Senate with the greatest margin of victory in modern electoral history?

A few weeks ago Obama was running uncontested - no local republican was willing to run against him.

Would you agree that having Keyes run is better than having no candidate?

I look at it as a no-lose proposition. Keyes can use the campaign as a bully pulpit - maybe we can begin to move the debate further right. Keyes winning would be an added bonus.

84 posted on 09/02/2004 2:51:46 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Lurking Libertarian
All the more reason for conservatives to be upset with Keyes for running a campaign of amateurish clumsiness.

He does seem to step in it more than necessary....

85 posted on 09/02/2004 2:52:00 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: NC28203
What about Bush vs. Keyes? Would you have supported him in a primary challenge of the President from the right?

I worked his booth when he won the Alabama Straw Poll.....

86 posted on 09/02/2004 2:54:30 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Jim Robinson

AbsoFReepinglutely!

Dr. Keyes would be a fine US Senator! Wish I could vote for him.


87 posted on 09/02/2004 2:54:36 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Jim Robinson

>>>I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary in 2000.


Being that he's a better man on many issues near and dear to your heart than is the President, would you have done so again in 2004?


88 posted on 09/02/2004 2:58:12 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: Onelifetogive
I worked his booth when he won the Alabama Straw Poll.....

Oooops..... IN 2000.

89 posted on 09/02/2004 2:58:33 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Jim Robinson

To some people on this forum, it's a greater sin to have made comments that are out in right field, than to have cast votes that are out in left field. And THAT's a real shame.


90 posted on 09/02/2004 2:58:43 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Go George go!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Keyes' strategy seems to be to generate free publicity by making outrageous statements, probably because he doesn't have much money to buy ads, and he'll never be able to compete with Obama in campaign funding.

Unfortunately, his latest outrageous statement has become the topic du jour for the media covering the convention.

A few minutes ago, while Wolf Blitzer was interviewing Rudy Guilani about the President's acceptance speech, Blitzer asked questions about Keyes' statement about Mary Cheney. Although Rudy tried to say he hadn't heard the statement, Blitzer pressed him about it. Rudy finally got Blitzer off the topic by saying he didn't condemn Keyes as a person, but did condemn the statement. This is overshadowing the president, as this overshadowed the vice president yesterday.

91 posted on 09/02/2004 3:00:27 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Dataman
What would you prefer: a moderate Republican who defeats Obama

We have a rash of those in the Senate now that we can't seem to remove. I think it's easier to defeat sitting Dims than it is to defeat sitting "Moderate" GOP'er in the primaries. (i.e. Specter)

92 posted on 09/02/2004 3:00:46 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Exactly right!

He is the GOP candidate in a general election, and a solid conservative. Whether he is a slick politician or not, there is no reason for any conservatives to be attacking him at this point.

93 posted on 09/02/2004 3:00:59 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: NC28203

No, most of Bush's positions also match my near and dear positions and he IS the president.

I would support Keyes vs Obama or Bush vs Obama in any race, any where, any time.


94 posted on 09/02/2004 3:03:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Catspaw

Rule number one, don't believe the press. They'll quote you out of context or twist the meaning of your words to suit their liberal agenda. Rule number two, if you ever find yourself agreeing with the press on any issue whatsoever, no matter how slight, see rule number one.


95 posted on 09/02/2004 3:07:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

It wouldn't be the first time the media twisted words for their liberal agenda. They do it to President Bush EVERYDAY.


96 posted on 09/02/2004 3:12:41 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah--but from the little I saw of the convention last night (relatives are in town for our family reunion), I saw Keyes being interviewed by BET & shown on CNN--about the Mary Cheney flap.

Keyes has to use the press in lieu of paid advertising. It's a double-edged sword.

97 posted on 09/02/2004 3:13:03 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Jim Robinson

100% Nailed on the head.

The man probably won't make it, but if I was able to, I would vote for him in a heart beat.


98 posted on 09/02/2004 3:14:59 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: Catspaw

Bottom line, Alan Keyes is a pro-life, pro-America conservative vs a baby killing liberal marxist. There is no question as to which is a better choice for the Senate.


99 posted on 09/02/2004 3:19:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

I'd hope that conservatives in Illinois vote for him, and that he gets more votes that what he's polling (last poll had him around 25%). But as he's finding out, using the media in lieu of paid advertising means the media, rather than the candidate, controls the message.


100 posted on 09/02/2004 3:23:15 PM PDT by Catspaw
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