Posted on 09/02/2004 1:57:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Nothing (well almost nothing) would please me more than seeing Alan Keyes win a seat in the U.S. Senate!
Why?
And despite his remarks on reparations or affirmative action, I would be extremely happy and take great pleasure in seeing Alan Keyes defeat Barack Obama. I believe whole heartedly that unlike Obama, Senator Keyes would preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America to the utmost of his ability and would dedicate himself to working with all of us in securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, and if that makes me a selfish hedonist, then so be it.
I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes.
I believe one of our founding fathers (initials RWR) said that. LOL. Something about an 11th commandment and speaking no evil. He was talking about Republicans, of course, so I've embellished a little and applied it to conservatives.
So does Ed Koch and at the same time declares he will support Hillary in 2008. LOL !!!!!!
1. Obama would represent the needs of the citizens of Illinois rather than the personal whims of a demagogue whose need for cash made him the perfect choice for the corrupt and despicable Republican Party of the State of Illinois.
2. Obama can actually take a breath and listen to other views and therefore would be more likely to be able to work with other members of the Senate so disposed.
3. Obama would not deliberately insult the President of the United States.
4. He would recognize that pro-choice is going to be around just as long as the 16th & 17th amendments will be and not waste his time and our money fighting a hopeless cause.
5. He would recognize that limited government cannot exist by cutting taxes and spending vast sums on defense while seeking to bestow more control on the individual states.
6. He will oppose any litmus test for judges.
7. He will recognize that no one needs an AK-47 to hunt deer, nor an M-50 for grouse.
8. I don't know whether he fears God or not or what his family values are but given the peeping done against Mr. Ryan one believes Obama is squeaky clean.
This is not so much a list of how Obama would be "better" for Illinois, but how our party as a whole would stand to lose if Keyes is elected.
I support him 100 Percent.
Imagine A Senate With Tom Coburn and Alan Keyes In It!
In 2004?
1. The Illinois GOP invited him to run after they had so badly screwed up with their original candidate, and were unable to get Mike Ditka to run. Keyes was not cherry-picking a state to run in. He accepted their offer after learning that Barack Obama SUPPORTS MURDERING CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN BORN ALIVE AFTER BOTCHED ABORTIONS.
2. Get along with what others? The media? Because he's strongly supporting Bush for President. He's not the one breaking the 11th commandment, but a lot of Freepers are.
I have a question for you. As a Freeper and presumably a conservative, hasn't experience taught you not to trust the media? I understand other people may be decieved by the media's spin (for example, media outlets including FoxNews saying Keyes called Mary Cheney a "sinner" when there is no evidence he ever did), but shouldn't Freepers know better than to trust the Wolf Blitzers of the world? Why is it that, as long as it is critical of Alan Keyes, certain people on this forum will lap up anything the media says?
3. Why yes, at least two on this very thread. Dave S and GovernmentShrinker come to mind, right off the top of my head. This in spite of the fact that Barack Obama thinks it is okay to kill infants after they have been born. The fact that he is pro-abortion is bad enough, but this? How can any conservative support this monster?
Also, there are a lot of people on Freerepublic who say things like "I don't disagree with what he said but". They pick at him and pick at him, and some tear him apart, every day. They hate the man and everything he says. I think it's a personality conflict. However, their sustained hatred of Keyes and their lack of ANY CRITICISMS OF BABY-KILLER OBAMA indicate that they'd support Obama over a man they seem to hate so much, although they don't have the courage to say it.
4. No, I think people are allowed to disagree with Keyes. But I think a lot of this vitriol is payback for Keyes and his supporters' earlier criticisms of Bush. It's one thing to criticize Keyes, but quite another to tear him apart at every opportunity, no matter what. I don't see why that should be allowed to happen to a fellow conservative. The moderators don't let people do it to Bush, so they don't let it happen to Keyes.
You mean Keyes would pursue a personal agenda rather than go to work each day to benefit the state? This ties in directly with my response to point #2.
2. Obama can actually take a breath and listen to other views and therefore would be more likely to be able to work with other members of the Senate so disposed.
Obama's better ability to get along with other Senators is one of the best reasons he would be better for Illinois. What you haven't said is that this benefits the state by Obama's better ability to play pork-barrel politics. You're embarrassed to say that directly?
3. Obama would not deliberately insult the President of the United States.
If the President was John Kerry.
4. He would recognize that pro-choice is going to be around just as long as the 16th & 17th amendments will be and not waste his time and our money fighting a hopeless cause.
Having a pro-life Senator is going to hurt the state? I don't follow.
5. He would recognize that limited government cannot exist by cutting taxes and spending vast sums on defense while seeking to bestow more control on the individual states.
If cutting taxes and giving states more local control doesn't bring us closer to limited government, what will?
6. He will oppose any litmus test for judges.
Really? So when will he start appointing pro-life judges?
7. He will recognize that no one needs an AK-47 to hunt deer, nor an M-50 for grouse.
M-50? I think you mean a .50 BMG target rifle, but whatever. I doubt Alan Keyes has ever said the 2A is about hunting.
8. I don't know whether he fears God or not or what his family values are but given the peeping done against Mr. Ryan one believes Obama is squeaky clean.
How is this an argument for Obama being better than Keyes? It isn't.
Troll alert...
J/K. Actually, I find Keyes's candor to be quite refreshing. We need more candidates and officials who are so willing be open with what they believe.
And, on top of that, when they happen to be right as he is... it gives me hope, to say the least.
Here's to hoping for a Senator Keyes.
There are lots and lots of good things Liberals can say about Obama.
Make that at least 4 on this thread (and several others who I know support Obama but perhaps haven't seen this thread or don't have the nerve to be up front).
Any man whose morality would allow him to vote against legislation that would prevent the murder of babies is not a man who should ever serve in the Senate, and not a man any conservative should ever support. And I don't care how "dumb" or "strident" you think Alan Keyes is.
Since you asked for a list of why anyone would support obama over keyes... I obviously have not one reason, but if you are actually wondering what Alan has done that is so polarizing, or what he could do to improve his standing amongst conservatives or republicans, or how his candidacy might be in any way damaging, here it is.
Alan would do better if he was perceived as obeying that commandment you just mentioned. Lots of bitterness against him on this forum and nationwide, is foundationed on unrepentant and terse statements he has made about our President, and in general, my party's leadership. If and when this race is over, his attitude towards attacking and blaming its leadership will surely become more apparent than it is now.
1) Keyes will represent the interests of the sovereign State of Illinois to the Union. The US Representatives from Illinois will represent the needs of the people.
2) Obama is not interested in any view other than the marxist view.
3) Obama will insult the president of the United States every day of every week just as he will insult every freedom loving American. As a Marxist, he is a walking talking insult to America and the very concept of Liberty and self-government.
4) Keyes will work to get conservative judges appointed and confirmed. He will be a vote for abolishing the income tax. He admits repealing the 17th is a lesser priority.
5) Keyes will work for a strong national defense (one of the enumerated constitutional functions of the federal government) and at the same time will work for limited self-government.
6) See number 4.
7) Keyes supports the 2nd amendment 100% (and admits that it was not intended for hunting deer or grouse).
8) I believe Keyes is the God-fearing man he appears to be.
I commend you for the fine example of political maturity you've set, Jim. Unlike some, you realize that 98% of a loaf is better than none, hehe.
In addition to all you've mentioned, Alan Keyes would also be the most powerful conservative voice the Senate has had in living memory.
I'm proud to say that I voted for him in the 2000 primaries. Keyes is one of the few on the Right who have the "brass" to tell it how it is.
Amazing how it took a democrat (note I didn't call him a damnocrat, or demon-rat, which Miller is not) last night, to speak honestly and say what had to be said. Keyes, is a patriot, and isn't afraid to back down on principle.
I'm wishing he would have run against McInsane in our primaries next week. He'd have a better chance here.
All of what you said + it would give him some experience and exposure.
I do not base my opinion on the media and what makes you qualified to determine how my opinions are formed?
This is not the first time Keyes has taken a big ol' bite out of his "own". It wasn't long ago that Alan Keyes said this about George Bush.
Pretty nasty biting of one's own there.
I guess you forgot about his support for tax reparations for African Americans
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