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To: zarf
What are a people who do not have the firepower to strike back supposed to do?

I have no problem with them following Ghandi, they can also set themselves on fire if they are that distressed. I do not agree that striking aircraft makes sense. Are you with them on this? I have not followed the uprising, I understand the US does not support Russia and their heavy hand, but I don't know what is at stake. In the case of terrorism, I have a blanket answer. You kill innocents, you should die and go to Hell. If they want to protest Russia intervention, they should protest against the Russian military. Maybe I would have some sympathy for them then. Maybe so would the world. Maybe they should vote with their feet and move to a more Islamic state? When you are against overwhelming forces, you hunker down and bring the fight to another time. (Is that not what Muhammad did?)

23 posted on 08/28/2004 8:40:07 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

>>You kill innocents, you should die and go to Hell.

With that statement, you have condemned not only the Chechen terrorists but large parts of the Russian military as well.

The Russians killed were civilians. So were the people of Dresden, Germany, where allied firebombing killed 100,000 in one night. The point is that "civlians" in a nation at war with another nation are not necessarily immune to attack. The Russians have tortured, slaughtered, and raped thousands of Chechen civilians, going all they way back to Stalin's time. This is very different from the battle between the US and Al Queda, or Israel and Palestine, where we make extroardinary efforts to only target enemies, not civlians.

When Russians go into a village "looking for terrorists" they kill dozens, and beat and torture hundreds more, many of whom have no connection to terrorism. The US and Israel do not do this.


41 posted on 08/28/2004 10:38:44 AM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: KC_for_Freedom
World didn't give care when Grozny was leveled by massed russian artillery in first Chechen war(some pictures more resemble Stalingrad). It didn't care when civilians were killed on mass scale all over Chechnya.

Truth is nobody will ever care about what is happening in Chechnya except Chechens and Russians. Its too far and the place has really no significance to anyone except people living there.

If you follow what is happening there you will see that rebels kill many more Russian soldiers/police then they kill civilians. Russian troops come under attack in Chechnya almost daily and their losses are much higher then anything United states is suffering in Iraq. None of it is reported since Russia has no free press

Difference between US and AlQaeda vs Russians and Chechens is that United states did not not bomb and ravage Saudi arabia, Egypt, Jordan or whatever other country that most of the alQaeda operatives come from. America soldiers did not rape any woman of any age that they saw. They didn't line up prisoners and then crush them with tanks alive. Now Russians did all that and more. Chechens are no angels either. They killed/maimed civilians, sawed off heads, killed russian pensioneers in Grozny for no better reason then that they were russian and did 100 other "nice" things. alQaeda gripe with US is ideology and religion thats what they kill for. Chechens kill in revenge and just to get rid off Russians once and for all.

There are no real "good" guys in that war anymore. If there were any good guys on Chechen side they are long dead. And Russians were never "good" to begin with.

How do people fight back question was asked. Answer is by any means necessary. If someone comes to your city kills you neighbors, rapes their children are you going to be nice? Israelis waged their own terrorist campaign against British to gain independence. Can you blame them? They had no choice and same is true of Chechens.
43 posted on 08/28/2004 10:41:20 AM PDT by dimk
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