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To: KC_for_Freedom
World didn't give care when Grozny was leveled by massed russian artillery in first Chechen war(some pictures more resemble Stalingrad). It didn't care when civilians were killed on mass scale all over Chechnya.

Truth is nobody will ever care about what is happening in Chechnya except Chechens and Russians. Its too far and the place has really no significance to anyone except people living there.

If you follow what is happening there you will see that rebels kill many more Russian soldiers/police then they kill civilians. Russian troops come under attack in Chechnya almost daily and their losses are much higher then anything United states is suffering in Iraq. None of it is reported since Russia has no free press

Difference between US and AlQaeda vs Russians and Chechens is that United states did not not bomb and ravage Saudi arabia, Egypt, Jordan or whatever other country that most of the alQaeda operatives come from. America soldiers did not rape any woman of any age that they saw. They didn't line up prisoners and then crush them with tanks alive. Now Russians did all that and more. Chechens are no angels either. They killed/maimed civilians, sawed off heads, killed russian pensioneers in Grozny for no better reason then that they were russian and did 100 other "nice" things. alQaeda gripe with US is ideology and religion thats what they kill for. Chechens kill in revenge and just to get rid off Russians once and for all.

There are no real "good" guys in that war anymore. If there were any good guys on Chechen side they are long dead. And Russians were never "good" to begin with.

How do people fight back question was asked. Answer is by any means necessary. If someone comes to your city kills you neighbors, rapes their children are you going to be nice? Israelis waged their own terrorist campaign against British to gain independence. Can you blame them? They had no choice and same is true of Chechens.
43 posted on 08/28/2004 10:41:20 AM PDT by dimk
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To: dimk
How do people fight back question was asked. Answer is by any means necessary. If someone comes to your city kills you neighbors, rapes their children are you going to be nice? Israelis waged their own terrorist campaign against British to gain independence. Can you blame them? They had no choice and same is true of Chechens.

From your mouth to G-ds ears. Unfortunately this gives the more powerful Russians a license to level Chechenia. (What ever it takes to stop the carnage.) Sometimes this is the best outcome, to end the war by the utter defeat of the enemy. And unfortunately for your sensitivities, the stronger will prevail. This happened in the American West where the US military confronted and defeated the Indians. There may be no right or wrong, only an end to the violence.

49 posted on 08/28/2004 11:33:13 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: dimk
If someone comes to your city kills you neighbors, rapes their children are you going to be nice?

So it's okay to kill innocent people that had nothing to do with those crimes?

Stop defending the barbarians.

53 posted on 08/28/2004 11:42:44 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: dimk; A. Pole; Destro; MarMema; Pubbie
To begin with, Grozny not leveled in first war, that was a problem. In second war, yes, but then Russians are not stupid to charge dug in Chechin and rip them from buildings...much better to save own lives and bring buildings down on top of Chechins...but since last time you on you claim to have all such "inside" super secret knowledge, you should know such facts...hmmm.

Difference between US and AlQaeda vs Russians and Chechens is that United states did not not bomb and ravage Saudi arabia, Egypt, Jordan or whatever other country that most of the alQaeda operatives come from.

Yes, in Afghanistan US had Northern Alliance to do such...as for Saudi Arabia, it is US allie that supply Chechins...who are Al Quida...but you should know that...why you don't mention it? Hmmm?

Are you sure you are not Fusion? Seems like you sign up about the same time he is banned. So tell me why it is Chechins who sit in Cuba and why it is Chechins (they speak Russian on videos) cutting heads off Americans? Or why it is Chechins who leave own bodies in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq....excuses, excuses.

Chechens are no angels either. They killed/maimed civilians, sawed off heads, killed russian pensioneers in Grozny for no better reason then that they were russian and did 100 other "nice" things. alQaeda gripe with US is ideology and religion thats what they kill for. Chechens kill in revenge and just to get rid off Russians once and for all.

So which is it, do they kill Russian citizens in Grozny (a Russian/Georgian city) for revenge? Since they start the killings in 1992, which revenge is it to? Or do you refer to the fact that Russia annex Chechnya??? So nice then to also ignore that it is annexed to stop islamic from raiding to slave Russians and Georgians to sell to ther islamics...funny how history show your arguments in real light. Grozny and all northern Chechnya not Chechin till 1920s when they allie with Stalin to exterminate the Tarek Cossaks...guess why they called Tarek...might it be the name of the river that runs through Grozny and N. (Tarek) Chechin lands....but of course like good islamics (as in Bosnians and Albanians and others) they side with Hitler too.

For that matter, it is nice of you to ignore all the Arabs, Turks and others who die in Chechnya daily serving Jihad. Your whole argument is a lie and Chechyns themselves show it on their websites of Kavkaz.org and others, where they admit straight forward to wanting a Taliban republic...lies, lies, lies...that is all you have.

And Russians were never "good" to begin with. They had no choice and same is true of Chechens.

Well that is funny since it is the Chechins who in 1992 ethnically cleanse 400,000 Russians, Georgians, Armenians and Jews and 450,000 own peoples...it is Chechins who between 1996-1999 kidnap 1,500 peoples plus. It is Chechins who in 1999 INVADE Daghistan and extermiante whole villages (and video tape snuff flickst of selves). It is Chechins who blow up trains, apartment buildings, concert, restuarants...so I believe it is now the Russian right who have no choice but to rid of Chechins.

Oh and how is it feel to shill for Islam? Does it pay good? Are their bonus virgins?

77 posted on 08/29/2004 6:27:00 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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