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Bush Offers To Help McCain Fight Ads
KXAN ^ | August 26, 2004 | AP

Posted on 08/26/2004 9:08:22 AM PDT by yonif

Las Cruces, N.M. -- Senator John McCain says he's "very appreciative" of a White House offer to help pursue court action against outside political ad groups.

The Arizona Republican has prodded President Bush to condemn ads from a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." The group has attacked John Kerry's Vietnam record, saying he doesn't deserve his medals and shouldn't be commander-in-chief.

McCain tells The Associated Press he doesn't want the independent political groups "abolished." He says they should just "live under the same campaign finance restrictions" as other groups.

Bush called McCain from aboard Air Force One today while on his way to New Mexico. A Bush spokesman says the men spoke about the issue.

The spokesman says Bush will support McCain in court action against the ads or if that fails, work toward a legislative solution.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 527; ads; campaignfinance; cfr; kerry; mccain
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To: OXENinFLA
WTF is Bush doing!?!?!?

Making Kerry and all the Libs look like the Hypocrites that they are

61 posted on 08/26/2004 9:32:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: yonif
The free speech issue is a fight which will come up in round 2. Right now we're in round 1 and the battle is this election.

Win round 1 first, then we can fight and win round 2.

63 posted on 08/26/2004 9:33:05 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: vbmoneyspender
shutting down political speech

Sounds very bad....but do you 1) really think tat McCain will join in a lawsuit against organizations empowered by his own legislation? and 2) do you really think Kerry will join them to silence his own supporters? 3) and do you really think that GW Bush assumes that the both McCain and Kerry will join him in such a lawsuit?

To me it sounds like yet another smart move by that "misunderstimated cowboy".

ScaniaBoy ScaniaBoy

64 posted on 08/26/2004 9:33:10 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: OXENinFLA; All
I have two questions for anyone with legal / campaign law background: (1)If this went to court, wouldn't the parties involved have to prove their case? (2)If what they are saying isn't slanderous, and they are not an affiliate of a party, then it would be legal wouldn't it?
65 posted on 08/26/2004 9:33:11 AM PDT by USMCBOMBGUY (Mad as hell)
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To: Protagoras

When do the book burnings begin?


66 posted on 08/26/2004 9:33:27 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: yonif

So they are going to shut down the 527's. Where are we to go to be heard before an election? I see this as one more step in taking away the freedom to speak freely before an election. When is the assult going to end?


67 posted on 08/26/2004 9:33:48 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Darnright
So, do you support Soro's right to pump millions upon millions of dollars into ads that compare Bush to Hitler?

Yes, I support free speech. I trust people to make up their own minds.

Do you believe Soros? Do you think Bush is like Hitler? Are you smarter than everyone else?

68 posted on 08/26/2004 9:34:32 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: yonif

Bad anti democratic laws and laws which back into socialism invariably cause unforseen problems (and not exceptionally, forseen problelms). The statists and the socialists then call for more statism or more socialism to fix the ills they have created with their nostroms in the first place.

A group of citizen soldiers, middle aged and middle class, are serving their consciences to affect an election. In the name of Jefferson and Madison and God almighty, that is exactly what they are supposed to do and it is not a thimble full of concern that John McCain finds it unseemly. He has already done the republic enough harm with this law which was justified to stop big money lobbyists, let us not let him compound the mischief.


69 posted on 08/26/2004 9:34:39 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack... Bull Halsey)
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To: hobbes1

That is a risky strategy that I won't buy this time. I was fooled once by 'CFR will get shot down by the SCOTUS' line once before. Any other strategies seem like closing the barn door after the horse runs away.


70 posted on 08/26/2004 9:34:56 AM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: js1138
I admit this looks unconservative for Bush, but trust me, it's necessary to divert attention from evil republicans and back to Kerry.

Kinda like signing CFR was necessary so the USSC could declare it unconstitutional?

Whatever happened to "citizens, not serfs"? This is a(nother) slap to conservatives, actually a slap to all Americans. How dare we speak out politically. If not for the war, Bush would've lost my vote over this issue. The threat of suing the SBV's isn't going to gain him one iota of support from anyone, least of all the "moderates" (a.k.a. closet leftists) to whom I guess his handlers think they're appealing.

71 posted on 08/26/2004 9:35:25 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: ALPAPilot
When do the book burnings begin?

In historical terms, not long.

72 posted on 08/26/2004 9:37:03 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: kerrybotox
Yep .. it's about the unregulated money
73 posted on 08/26/2004 9:40:05 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: kerrybotox
Yep .. it's about the unregulated money
74 posted on 08/26/2004 9:40:06 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: rintense

Are you kiddin..?

There will never be another Bill. The Dumbs are relying on the 527$$$$ to compete. Without it, this electon would already be over.


This is Window Dressing for the coming torrent. Watch Kerry howl, when the Bush advocates unleash a 100 milllion dollar torrent on him.


76 posted on 08/26/2004 9:40:36 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: workerbee
The threat of suing the SBV's isn't going to gain him one iota of support from anyone, least of all the "moderates" (a.k.a. closet leftists) to whom I guess his handlers think they're appealing.

He isn't suing the SBV

77 posted on 08/26/2004 9:41:38 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: tomahawk

Explain to me how buying TV ads is free speech compared to voicing your opinion on a street corner? Or how giving a group 15 million is free speech?


78 posted on 08/26/2004 9:41:46 AM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: ScaniaBoy
To me it sounds like yet another smart move by that "misunderstimated cowboy".

You mean like signing CFR, which created the 527's, which are funded by Soros, which Bush is now complaining about. A few more smart moves like that and we won't have a first amendment, at least as far as political speech is concerned. And if you don't believe me, here's a snippet from what Bush's favorite Supreme Court justice said about CFR:

This is a sad day for the freedom of speech. Who could have imagined that the same Court which, within the past four years, has sternly disapproved of restrictions upon such inconsequential forms of expression as virtual child pornography, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U. S. 234 (2002), tobacco advertising, Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly, 533 U. S. 525 (2001), dissemination of illegally intercepted communications, Bartnicki v. Vopper, 532 U. S. 514 (2001), and sexually explicit cable programming, United States v. Playboy Entertainment Group, Inc., 529 U. S. 803 (2000), would smile with favor upon a law that cuts to the heart of what the First Amendment is meant to protect: the right to criticize the government. For that is what the most offensive provisions of this legislation are all about. We are governed by Congress, and this legislation prohibits the criticism of Members of Congress by those entities most capable of giving such criticism loud voice: national political parties and corporations, both of the commercial and the not-for-profit sort. It forbids pre-election criticism of incumbents by corporations, even not-for-profit corporations, by use of their general funds; and forbids national-party use of "soft" money to fund "issue ads" that incumbents find so offensive.

See Link

79 posted on 08/26/2004 9:42:21 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: hobbes1

Oh I'll watch the coming torrent. But to get rid of Kerry at the expense of the First Amendment is unforgivable. I wish I could be as optimistic as you. CFR has shown what both parties are capable of.


80 posted on 08/26/2004 9:42:32 AM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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