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Keyes: Constitution protects machine gun ownership [describes Israel as an example]
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 25, 2004 | SCOTT FORNEK

Posted on 08/25/2004 2:09:41 PM PDT by yonif

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To: Beelzebubba

No, actually it means that gun ownership would be decided on the whims of the government - just like car ownership. Owning and driving a car is not a right - it's a privilege. So, it makes sense that the government can make all these requirements for training, testing, insurance, etc... before they ALLOW you to own and drive a car.

That's what Keyes wants for Gun Ownership - if you want to own one, you have to jump through all kinds of government-mandated hoops before they ALLOW you to exercise a constiutional right...

Something about that bothers me, as it should bother any 2nd amendment supporter...

(Still Alan Keyes is better than Obama, but I have a disagreement with Keyes on this issue with regards to "licensing guns like cars")


461 posted on 08/26/2004 8:08:13 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.)
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To: Living Stone

Actually, Keyes is unelectable because of his mouth - most of his positions are pretty good, actually, but when he gets going with that mouth of his, he ends up saying stuff like how Arnold is like the AIDS virus, and how Bush is more evil than Clinton.

Not exactly the best way to convicne people to make an honest assessment of your positions, and give you a chance. Alan Keyes has a small base of people who will support him no matter what, but if he wants to get elected he needs to educate people, and get them to take an honest look at what he has to say and then get them to vote for him.

I have no problem with Keyes saying what he thinks - I find it refreshing - however, he also needs to realize that many people are turned off by over-the-top rhetoric.

Until Alan Keyes learns to control that rhetoric, and until the "Great Orator" learns to be more Reaganesque in his public speaking, he will do nothing to advance conservatism in America and will always remain known as "that guy who kept running for president and losing" - Ya know, sort of like that other guy I used to support with my time and money, Pat Buchanan...


462 posted on 08/26/2004 8:15:20 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.)
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To: Graybeard58

If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

Did voting stop NAFTA or GATT?
Did voting help obtain a balanced budget?
Immigration reform? Term limits?

I humbly decline to participate in a game where there is no way of winning.


463 posted on 08/26/2004 8:17:48 AM PDT by djf
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To: technochick99
And of course, YES, I do think this should apply to both sides.

When you can demonstrate that, get back to me.

464 posted on 08/26/2004 8:28:16 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: SERE_DOC

Full auto gets expensive and I'm on a budget...LOL

Fired a full auto CETME before...fun stuff TSR trigger group...not telling where though...LOL


465 posted on 08/26/2004 8:38:28 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Richard-SIA

Was thinking more along the lines of a Licensed HK knock off...Tactical LLC, Bobcat etc...


466 posted on 08/26/2004 8:42:12 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: tame

Arrested Adolescence in most cases...I just let the idiots and blowhards hang themself, it's like trapping...no hurry.


467 posted on 08/26/2004 9:34:29 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: tame; Robert_Paulson2
Please.

And thank you.

468 posted on 08/26/2004 9:59:19 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Scenic Sounds; Amelia

You did see #173? It seems to back up my guesses.

If Amelia wants to talk about why she was banned when she gets back, I'm sure she will.

And I understand you're defending a friend. That's fine.

But until you're officially designated the Post Police, I'd appreciate you not telling me when and where I should post anything.


469 posted on 08/26/2004 10:31:19 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Living Stone

rofl...

but we need a "pop the hood and.... " conclusion to complete the triuvirate of commedy at ole Ross's expense...


470 posted on 08/26/2004 11:01:08 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

No, actually it means that gun ownership would be decided on the whims of the government - just like car ownership. Owning and driving a car is not a right - it's a privilege. So, it makes sense that the government can make all these requirements for training, testing, insurance, etc... before they ALLOW you to own and drive a car.



I'm not speaking for Keyes, but I can go out and buy a car without government permission, even if I am not a licensed driver or even adult. There is no government record of the transaction, and I don't even need to identify myself to the dealer. I can have a felony record, and can be a non-citizen.

That dispenses with the notion of the right to buy or own cars/guns.

As long as I don't expect to operate (shoot) the vehicle (gun) on publicly-funded roads (ranges) I do not need to go through any qualification process, and no insurance requitrement.

The mantra that driving is a "privilege" is nonsese perpetrated by those who don't understand the fundamental Constitutional rights of people to move about in their world freely. However, even if we accept that driver's ed statist chestnut, the "privilege" applies only to the operation of motor vehicles on public roads, not to their ownership, or the right to transport them as non-operating cargo on public roads.

Also, if guns were treated like cars, then I could buy them from sellers in other states without involving a gun dealer. While guns would have to meet safety standards to be fired at public ranges, I could buy ones that had any level of firepower, any size large or small, etc.

I would be grateful if guns were treated like cars, never mind that our gun rights are expressed in the constitution, and car rights aren't.


471 posted on 08/26/2004 11:22:06 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

Fine, but apparntly Alan's new position in this is open to such interpetations that it is not really all that clear and concise - So, if he clarifies it, then great.


472 posted on 08/26/2004 11:25:39 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.)
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To: k2blader
Well, bless you, I know you have been very patient about waiting for her to return. I miss her, too!

I want to leave some inspirational music for you to listen to while you’re waiting.

“Keep your hand upon the throttle, and your eye upon the rail.” ;-)

473 posted on 08/26/2004 11:39:57 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Similar does not equal identical. they are not synonyms.

If both require a license to operate, which one has to have some sort of training to get, the situation is similar. Even if nothing else is similar.


474 posted on 08/26/2004 3:50:30 PM PDT by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: WillRain

Do you think that we should be down to debating the meaning of "if" (in a manner of speaking) when it comes to this candidate on this particular subject?

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?


475 posted on 08/26/2004 4:44:43 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: k2blader
If Amelia wants to talk about why she was banned when she gets back, I'm sure she will.


476 posted on 08/26/2004 7:21:24 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Welcome back, Amelia!
477 posted on 08/26/2004 7:31:57 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Amelia

Welcome back.


478 posted on 08/26/2004 7:59:07 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks!

Perhaps the most powerful science fiction novel of the twentieth century, this apocalyptic satire shows with grim conviction how Winston Smith’s individual personality is wiped out and how he is recreated in the Party’s image until he does not just obey but even loves Big Brother.

479 posted on 08/26/2004 8:04:43 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Jim Robinson

bttt


480 posted on 08/26/2004 8:22:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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