Posted on 08/24/2004 1:43:08 PM PDT by ambrose
Posted on Tue, Aug. 24, 2004
Cheney Backs Freedom for Gay Relationships
TODD DVORAK
Associated Press
DAVENPORT, Iowa - Vice President Dick Cheney, whose daughter Mary is a lesbian, spoke supportively about gay relationships on Tuesday, saying "freedom means freedom for everyone."
At a campaign rally in this Mississippi River town, Cheney was asked about his stand on gay marriage - an issue for which his boss, President Bush, has pushed for a constitutional amendment to ban such unions.
"Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue our family is very familiar with," Cheney said. "With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone ... People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.
"The question that comes up with the issue of marriage is what kind of official sanction or approval is going to be granted by government? Historically, that's been a relationship that has been handled by the states. The states have made that fundamental decision of what constitutes a marriage," he said.
Bush backs a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage, a move Cheney says was prompted by various judicial rulings, including the action in Massachusetts that made gay marriage legal.
"I think his perception was that the courts, in effect, were beginning to change, without allowing the people to be involved," Cheney said. "The courts were making the judgment for the entire country."
That stand put Cheney at odds with his wife. Last month, Lynne Cheney said states should have the final say over the legal status of personal relationships, a comment that came just days before the Senate failed to back the ban.
Cheney said the amendment did not have the votes to pass, but he also said the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which President Clinton signed into law in 1996, may be sufficient to resolve the issue.
The Cheneys have two daughters, both of whom are working on the campaign. Mary Cheney is director of vice presidential operations for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign. She held a public role as her father's assistant in the 2000 campaign and helped the GOP recruit gay voters during the 2002 midterm elections.
During the 2000 campaign, vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney took the position that states should decide legal issues about personal relationships and that people should be free to enter relationships of their choosing.
While Bush and Cheney back the proposed constitutional amendment, their Democratic rivals, Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and John Edwards of North Carolina, oppose the amendment.
The Democrats also oppose gay marriage, but defend a gay couple's rights to the same legal protections as those conferred in marriage.
I, too, prefer the Cheneys leave
off public references to their
daughter's sexual orientation. I
expected the media to feature it,
but not them. I never wanted to
be told of it, frankly. Now today,
I hear the media gleefully saying
Cheney mentioned it AND does not
agree w/ Bush's proposal that we
define marriage as btw a man &
a woman, by Const. Amend.
I don't know what to think.
I'll admit to not being very versed in the Bible. Could you point me in the direction of some scripture (New Testament please)that says lesbians will burn in the flames of hell.
Not trying to flame but would actually like the info.
I know.
People I associate with have wildly varied opinions.
Makes for some very heated discussions at times.
And then someon says something wacky and everyone breaks up laughing..
*Ruins a good serious scrap, it does*
I found that with jerry, logic doesn't work.
Asked him serious pointed questions on another thread and am still waiting for serious direct answers.
*sigh*
You need to proclaim your hetrosexuality leaves me wondering.
And I'm done with you; I'm off to the funeral home to say good-bye to a young nephew.
YOU do the digging...careful not to burn your fingers...
Surrender is still a victory, bro. Though I know it doesn't have the same satisfactory feel as conquering in a crushing head on battle. : )
You're pretty free and easy with the accusations. Aren't you mister Christian.
For your loss I am deeply sorry...I certainly hope that someone got to him with the gospel of Jesus prior to his death...(flame resistant suit on)...
I know.
More annoying still when they come back and claim victory.
*sigh*
(I never seem to learn.. Asmodeus did that sort of thing way back in the past.)
I know what the truth is and no one will make me back down from it...sorry if that offends your wishy-washy sensibilities...some people would have you think that all Christians must be meek and mild...well, mister, Jesus was decidely NOT meek and mild when he found the money changers in his Father's house and I am NOT GOING TO BE MEEK AND MILD WHEN I FINDS RINOS IN MY REPUBLICAN PARTY EITHER...
What a load of horse manure. Someone asks you for help with the gospels and you accuse them of sin with a sideways smartass remark. Real nice. You wouldn't know the truth if someone poured a bucket of it on your head.
Constitutional Law 101: if a state law is in conflict with a SCOTUS decision, the state law is null and void.
Modernman drives home from work.
Judging from your bio, you are MUCH farther from the truth than I am...unlike most folks, I don't "bite" at someone's request for Biblical truth (when in reality all they want to do is get into a "well it doesn't SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF SIN, DOES IT" type argument)...I know how to "read between the lines" through the power of the Holy Spirit and my personal relationship with Jesus Christ...if you don't have such a relationship, you are not prepared to receive the truth of any part of the Bible, excpet perhaps the main truth, that Jesus died for the sins of you, me and the whole world...until you accept that FACT, it is just the devil in you typing...I've heard all his lies, and thusly yours as well...
Ahhhh, thank you oh omnicient one. I knew if I posted to you I would get your judgment. No, I'm not omniscient, I just noticed you prounounce judgement on everyone.
Posted on the Whitehouse site full transcript
BTW, to all who would call me "sanctimonious"; just remember that the most "sanctimonious" man who ever lived was Jesus...He knew just EXACTLY where his Father stood on EVERY ISSUE!
"Hate the sin, love the sinner"
This is my stance I might not agree with what the VP says about relationships but at the end of the day we should love the person and not what the person does
...He knew just EXACTLY where his Father stood on EVERY ISSUE!
And comparing yourself to Jesus, I would call that arrogant.
Too bad there weren't more people like you around 15-20 years ago, the Republican party would be much better off. At times I seriously wander just where the party (or rather its leadership) is going...
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