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Keyes: 'The victory is for God'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | August 22, 2004 | BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Posted on 08/22/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance
Don't bother Ev.......and WHY are you till here posting? You bade us all a not so fond farewell.

I posted facts,EV;you just don't like them.

561 posted on 08/24/2004 9:53:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I kept my word to not post until you all had lost your free hand to attack and slander conservatives. You have. Live with it.


562 posted on 08/24/2004 9:58:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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To: EternalVigilance
This is my very last post to you,EV.

The people who were being thoroughly trashed,impugned,insulted,heaped with invective,and threatened,were,for the most part/majority of the time,those who are not Keyes' avid supporters.Those people have now been told that there is no place for their posts on FR.The vast majority of them did NOT reply in kind,personally attacking those few,who were responsible for the kinds of acts,which heretofore got the poster suspended or banned.

It's Jim's decision and yes,we'll live with it;just as YOU have to now live with what you have to live with.Enjoy your time in the sun,EV. :-)

563 posted on 08/24/2004 10:05:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Luis Gonzalez; EternalVigilance

I of course was the first to flat out support Obama on this forum (that I know of), and EV was very gracious about it. Maybe EV was just in an irritable mood this time.


564 posted on 08/24/2004 10:25:50 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Robert_Paulson2

pinging? just a reply, which I won't do again here


565 posted on 08/25/2004 12:41:58 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Jorge
That would be like me saying that we don't have to be as worried about the evil of the DU but rather the GREATER evil of the posts of "unspun" that sneak behind FR lines. BUT that is NOT calling unspun "evil". Talk about tortured logic! Can't you come up with a better defense of Keyes than this?

You have to have an appreciation for "nuance" Jorge. ;-'

566 posted on 08/25/2004 12:45:44 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Torie
I of course was the first to flat out support Obama on this forum (that I know of), and EV was very gracious about it. Maybe EV was just in an irritable mood this time.

You are supporting Barack Obama?

567 posted on 08/25/2004 12:48:34 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Jorge

BTW, I didn't wsy I agreed with him. I can disagree with an important conservative leader, including Bush and Keyes, while still supporting them.

Call me too agreeable, if you must. ;-'


568 posted on 08/25/2004 12:50:14 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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wsy = say, after I wake up in the middle of the night


569 posted on 08/25/2004 12:55:15 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Torie

Thanks for your kind remark. Much appreciated.

You're still my favorite honest liberal...that most rare of creatures...

;-)


570 posted on 08/25/2004 12:57:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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To: nopardons
Those people have now been told that there is no place for their posts on FR.

A good decision. :-)

Go, Keyes, go!!

571 posted on 08/25/2004 12:58:15 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Jorge
Break it down. Keyes refers to HIS battle, and HIS confidence BECAUSE of the victory being for GOD.

Yes, the battle is for us. The victory (or victor) is decided by God.

572 posted on 08/25/2004 4:16:47 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Jorge
[Me] Just how do you work that into an "attack" on President Bush by Alan Keyes?

[You, substituting snideness for a response] You're kidding right?
Read his quote a few more times then get back to me.

The 2004 GOP platform does not contain the word "conservative" anywhere in it, and only a few things in it could be said to be "conservative" -- and those are all economic issues.

Elsewhere, the size of the government and the budget are substantially expanded -- by the argument of the American Conservative Union, more than in any single proposition since the New Deal.

George W. Bush and his family are not now, and never have been, conservatives. Bush senior ran for his congressional district, and later for the senate, as a Republican liberal -- a "Rockefeller Republican", on principia that Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chaffee would find palatable. Dubya has been more conservative, or actually less liberal than his father, but could not be said to be any more conservative than a typical Republican moderate from the Midwest or North. Look at his cabinet: he has no conservatives in sensitive positions other than John Ashcroft. Rumsfeld is a northern, moderate Republican. Colin Powell is a moderate, and Condi Rice is a moderate Republican from California. There are no Newt Gingriches or Bob Barrs in Bush's cabinet -- no conservative, white Southern Republicans. Rod Paige, the Secretary of Education, is from Texas, but a) he's black, b) he's a moderate, c) he's a professional education bureaucrat, and d) the fact that the Department of Education and the Department of Energy still exist are further convincing evidence for Bush's big-government, moderate Republican views.

That George W. Bush has turned to such people for counsel indicates that he is not a conservative, but a moderate, cafeteria Republican. Bush's actions as governor of Texas further support the view that he is not a conservative, but instead has opposed conservatives for statewide office, putting up business-wing RiNO's to run in the GOP primaries against conservative incumbents.

Alan Keyes said something that is a palpable truism; that is not an attack. It is time for you to uncurl your lip and recognize that.

Now, what is your problem with Alan Keyes?

573 posted on 08/25/2004 4:25:28 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: k2blader

"Go Keyes!"

This will be shouted the day after the election for Keyes to go forth and run and lose for yet another office.


574 posted on 08/25/2004 4:40:01 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: unspun

I love this saving for future use ;)


575 posted on 08/25/2004 5:06:24 AM PDT by JustPiper (I once had a pinglist a mile long....took me BumPING all day long)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
no it doesn't. ... I have been asked of late to not criticize alan. jim rob supports alan.. it is his forum... got it?

I so fondly remember the old days of the first amendment.

576 posted on 08/25/2004 6:04:00 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I am being endorsed by Dick Cheney today, what will you be doing?)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I so fondly remember the old days of the first amendment.

Since when does the 1st amendment apply to privater internet forums?

577 posted on 08/25/2004 6:41:37 AM PDT by jmc813 (CAN YOU MAKE THE SAME CLAIM;ARE YOU A VIRGIN?)
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To: jmc813
I so fondly remember the old days of the first amendment.

Does this mean I have to start calling Bush a cokehead too?

578 posted on 08/25/2004 8:39:36 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I am being endorsed by Dick Cheney today, what will you be doing?)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Does this mean I have to start calling Bush a cokehead too?

I don't get it.

579 posted on 08/25/2004 9:48:30 AM PDT by jmc813 (CAN YOU MAKE THE SAME CLAIM;ARE YOU A VIRGIN?)
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To: lentulusgracchus; azhenfud
Keyes's reminder that the Bush family are not conservatives is in no way out of line.

And point well taken. However I've got some issues from the standpoint of what Keyes knows about the politics of the state he is running in. Unfortunately I've seen this once too often where someone out of state feels the need to run in a state they either have never lived in or say haven't lived in for oh, I don't know, 30 years?

580 posted on 08/25/2004 10:38:50 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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