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1 posted on 08/16/2004 5:06:17 AM PDT by ckilmer
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GGG Ping!


2 posted on 08/16/2004 5:07:25 AM PDT by TomServo ("Meanwhile, the Midvale police visit his locker and find out why they call him 'Buzz'...")
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It sounds as if you'll have plenty of time to move your house if you're too close to the ocean.


3 posted on 08/16/2004 5:09:05 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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Really.

How does this socialist dingbat know that the sea level has risen? Maybe the land sunk.


5 posted on 08/16/2004 5:13:29 AM PDT by sergeantdave (NIMBY)
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"I can't think of a natural process that would have started in 1900"

Ergo, SUV's are bad, m'kay?


6 posted on 08/16/2004 5:14:03 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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I'm not too sure what scientific conclusions may be drawn from a single data point. Staying in the Mediterranean area, I recall the plain between the site of Troy and the beach where the Greeks landed is a mile or more wider then in ancient times. Further the area around Alexandria that held the palace of Cleopatra is totally submerged now, and has been for centuries. The Mediterranean seems to have been active for a long longer then just 100 years.

Has anyone noticed the Tidal Basin in DC rearing up to swallow the national monuments in the last century ?


8 posted on 08/16/2004 5:16:35 AM PDT by tlb
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I am always struck by their glib pronouncements that rising sea levels have to be cause by humans.
Did humans cause the "little Ice Age"?
It should be no secret that the earth warms and cools for a variety of reasons and, as is being discovered,that warming or cooling can be sudden. Why do they assume that it has to be gradual and measured?
There are many things in Nature that are not.


9 posted on 08/16/2004 5:18:46 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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fish pens?


11 posted on 08/16/2004 5:21:00 AM PDT by glock rocks (WHat are you? omnipivoyant or sumthin?)
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The moon is falling and we're all gonna die!!


12 posted on 08/16/2004 5:22:55 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Kerry couldn't have gone to Sears in Cambodia Christmas day! They were closed!)
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This is speculation on top of speculation on top of wishful thinking on top of political agendas. Just a cursory glance at this article reveals far too many unknown and unknowable variables for any even tentative conclusions.


13 posted on 08/16/2004 5:23:08 AM PDT by Drawsing (It is not honorable to seek one's own honor.....Proverbs.)
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Something is fishy about this guys science. ;-)


14 posted on 08/16/2004 5:26:33 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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http://www.john-daly.com/

Note the photo of the mean sea level mark made in 1841 by Sir James Ross (look for a horizontal line). Note the sea level at low tide. The total range of tide is one meter in this part of the world, and this mark is very close to what would be the middle of this one meter range.

BTW, any one been to Venice lately? Seen the water lapping at the steps of the city? As is well known, Venice is subsiding and the same thing probably happened to the old Roman fish farms, as an earlier poster noted. Of course, this fact has been so well known for such a long time that it could not be hijacked by the enviro-brownshirts.

The global warming enthusiasts and their fellow travelers live in a fact-free fantasy land. Whatever 'facts' they have about this or other issues, they make up.


17 posted on 08/16/2004 5:47:07 AM PDT by KamperKen
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OK..The world population is around 7 billion. What if we had had no industrial revolution? What if we had maintained the Roman way of life? Can you imagine 7 billion people cutting down trees and burning them to prepare their food, pottery and so on everyday? Can you imagine 7 billion people eliminating into the rivers?
Can you imagine the amount of food in form of game that would be needed to feed all these people?


23 posted on 08/16/2004 6:25:35 AM PDT by Dallas59
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He then analysed how land elevations changed along the Italian coast due to both plate tectonics and the after-effects of the last ice age. In a paper to appear in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters, he concludes that geological processes pushed the land up by 1.22 metres over last two millennia, which means that the global sea level rose by 13 centimetres.

This seems to me to be making an estimate to the nearest ton and then drawing a conclusion based on that estimate to the exact ounce.


24 posted on 08/16/2004 6:25:53 AM PDT by Phrostie
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"most likely the result of human activity."

Later in this article, it states that there is no proof to support the above. Of course, the 'greenies' have quit reading by then. Climate change is promordial. It's the 'why' part that always gets political, despite the admitted lack of proof.


25 posted on 08/16/2004 6:29:10 AM PDT by Spok
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That is only about 100 years' worth of rise at the present rate of around 1 to 2 millimetres per year, implying that nearly all of it has occurred since 1900. While there is no proof that human activity is to blame, "I can't think of a natural process that would have started in 1900," he says.

The 19th century was an especially cold century. If there was more moisture tied up in snow worldwide, this could account for an increase in the comparatively warmer 20th century--besides, Europe was still warming up from the Little Ice Age in the latter half of the second millennium.
26 posted on 08/16/2004 6:30:55 AM PDT by aruanan
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Coastal fish pens built by the Romans have unexpectedly provided the most accurate record so far of changes in sea level over the past 2000 years. It appears that nearly all the rise in sea level since Roman times has happened in the past 100 years, and is most likely the result of human activity.

Huh?

While Gregory cautions that this does not prove that global warming is responsible, both he and Lambeck agree that the results fit the rise in ocean volume expected from global warming melting glaciers in the industrial age.

Oh
28 posted on 08/16/2004 6:36:06 AM PDT by Vision ("This is in God's hands now")
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That is only about 100 years' worth of rise at the present rate of around 1 to 2 millimetres per year, implying that nearly all of it has occurred since 1900. While there is no proof that human activity is to blame, "I can't think of a natural process that would have started in 1900," he says.

How about sunspot activity and increased solar energy output, which has been measured over the last century as considerably higher than in the past?

Oh, but I forgot....you have an agenda to push. Don't let any scientific facts get in the way. ;)

30 posted on 08/16/2004 6:38:47 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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It appears that nearly all the rise in sea level since Roman times has happened in the past 100 years, and is most likely the result of human activity.

Most likely? Hasn't this nimrod ever heard of the Little Ice Age, and the warmer period prior to that, that would have affected sea levels?

31 posted on 08/16/2004 6:38:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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Its Bush's fault.


32 posted on 08/16/2004 6:39:22 AM PDT by wjcsux (Don't be a girly man! Vote Republican!)
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Some people go "postal", I tend to go "biblical" on people when I read things like this.

According to scriptures there will be a time when the climate gets hot enough to scorch a man, and the sea levels rise to frightening levels, but according to scriptures, it is because the sun grows brighter and hotter. Not because of any physical thing man is doing to the planet.

It could be that liberals are glomming onto an actual event and attempting to turn it to some political advantage, it could be pure junk science going on and nothing is really changing climate wise. If there is something actually going on, then one can reasonably assume, we may be entering that time foretold when the sun grows hotter.


35 posted on 08/16/2004 6:50:42 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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