[goldstategop]

The Rabbi's point is bi-sexual men don't change their natural attraction for men easily and to insist they love women they cannot remain faithful to is to devalue and undermine the very meaning of heterosexual marriage. In unions such as the one Jim McGreevey and his wife Dina were involved in, the result is more devastating to the woman than to the man. How we can we avoid such scenes on our nightly newscasts? By going back to the basics and eschewing the "if it feels good, just do it" mindset that that undermined the stability of marriage and family in our culture. Society needs to do all it can to strengthen love and commitment over lust and casual sex and so bringing out in the process the best rather than the worst in human nature. It may be too late to save McGreevey marriage but hopefully a more realistic approach will save countless others. And it cannot happen too soon.

[Enterprise]

The Rules:

1. A male who is only attracted to females is heterosexual.

2. A male who is attracted to females and males is queer.

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Don't have the time or the energy to read the entire article, so I'll leave you with this thought.

KOSHER SEX

[sockmonkey]

Indeed, gay men who are attracted to women usually make much better husbands and fathers since they are usually softer, gentler, more domesticated and more nurturing than their heterosexual counterparts.

Oh, yes, and they are much better at decorating, and cooking. This is total BS.

[claudiustg]

The Rabbi's screed is compelling, but I think McGreevey has been deceiving the New Jersey voters about more than his sexual preferences. When you cut through the religious and moral smoke, what we have here is a criminal.

[familyop]

"Religious" or "moral" (his words), Boteach deemphasizes and liberalizes the importance of the Law, IMO. ...remember Sedom and Amorah?

[wai-ming]

in the case of the wife of a successful politician like James McGreevey, she is seen as cold and calculating, prepared to remain in a fraudulent marriage in order to share power.

I don't know if this describes McGreevey's wife, but it does bring to mind another woman in politics: Hillary.

[jnarcus]

FAct of the matter is the good Rabbi missed the mark...the ones who suffer the most are the CHILDREN of such unions...McGreevy is a total and complete jerk and dilitante. He goes to a foreign country falls in love with a person not his wife, brings that person back to NJ, gives that person a job to keep that person around, and continues to pretned that his marriage is meaningful by fathering two children...what an ahole

[independentmind]

But the truth is that these women suffer enormously. I have had many women crying in my office as they related the pain of discovering that they could never be attractive to their husbands, and how that horrible fact undermined their very identity as women. One woman told me that after her husband had revealed to her that he was only able to perform with her sexually by thinking about men, she had thought that night of killing herself.

I have a female friend who found out that a male high school friend of hers (her prom date, actually) was gay. They had remainded friendly through their 20s and 30s and she was quite upset when he announced his "coming out" to her.

As for the 2nd Mrs. McGreevey, though, I'm somewhat skeptical. Supposedly her husband's dalliances were well known during his first marriage.

[Old Professer]

These tragic circumstances are the direct result of America's irrational and confused response to homosexuality, with extremists dominating the national debate. While I am opposed to gay marriage, I am equally opposed to simplistic religious formulations that would advocate that all gay men can find a home within heterosexual marriage, so long as they make enough of an effort to change.

What is it about confused priests that they must rewrite the doctrine to conform to their personal comfort?

[dennisw]

stellar....boteach has redeemed himself from his Michael jackson groupie daze

[VOA]

The Tragedy Of The McGreevy Marriage

How terribly judgement and old-fashioned.

(at least that's the unannounced stance of the Kerry-Edwards Campaign, I'm sure.)

[bvw]

Hard to dance with shovels for feet.

[NYCVirago]

He later invited me to a party he hosted at the Democratic National Convention, where I said to his wife, who was holding his hand, that I had always been impressed with the quiet dignity she brought to the role of New Jersey's first lady, and that she was a great asset to her husband. Rather than acknowledge the compliment, she stared back blankly and I was left feeling that I had somehow caused offense.

All that phony handholding -- it's just like the Clintons!

[NYCVirago]

One other point:

The potential for tragedy, as in the case of the McGreevey marriage, is when we so severely stigmatize homosexuality – and there is not a single outward homosexual who has been elected to high office – that we force bisexual men to completely hide and deny their homosexual side so that they have no one to talk to and wrestle successfully with their nature.

It depends on what you mean by high office -- there are several openly gay congressman, including a Republican one. And if, heaven forbid, Kerry gets elected president, I wouldn't be surprised to see Barney Frank elected senator.

[nmh]

"But then there are men who find the idea of sex with a woman positively repulsive. Religious individuals and moralists who encourage gay men with absolutely no attraction to women to enter into the heterosexual institution of marriage are not only unrealistic, they are cruel, cold and heartless. "

This is NOT what organizations like Exodus International do. In fact I don't know of ANY reputable organizations that help gays straighten up, that don't get to the ROOT PROBELM. Fabricating an EXTREME still doesn't justify gay "marriage" or gay "unions".




"The practice is immoral and deeply destructive to the marriage's participants, as well as to the children who follow. For these men, civil unions should be legally available as a viable alternative, and I find it absurd that it is religious conservatives who are the main obstacles to gay civil unions. "

There is NO healthy reason in the world to pervert "marriage" or create "unions" to accommodate the emotional needs of an abnormal perversion - being gay. It is precisely because God, the Judeo Christian God stated CLEARLY that being gay is an ABOMINATION to Him and that is WHY "religious conservatives" are opposed to gay "marriage" or "civil unions". You don't have to be "religious" either. All it takes is alittle common sense to see that NOTHING good will come out of legitimizing gay "unions" or "marriages".

In fact it will be devastating if gay "unions" or "marriages" become legal BECAUSE the root of gay behavior is EMOTIONAL. The courts will be overwhelmed with "gay" lawsuits. These people are not emotionally stable to begin with and they do NOT normally remain together for long. They are social nightmares as well as health care nightmares as they continue to be promiscuous and have YOU pick up the tab for all their social diseases.
McGreedy put the state of New Jersey at risk by paying off his ex-lover as a Homeland Security head. He had NO experience of qualifications for this job. It just goes to show the desperateness of McGreedy. As for his "wife" he had a baby with her - to look good? He just ruined the life of a baby girl and his wife. Need I mention that this is his SECOND marriage with kids? And the whole time the LIBERAL media HIDE this from the people of New Jersey. In a nut shell, homos don't care about anyone else but themselves and will stop at nothing to satisfy their irrational emotional attraction to same sex.

[alrea]

These tragic circumstances are the direct result of America's irrational and confused response to homosexuality, with extremists dominating the national debate

Brilliant point; this gives people like the Clintons and Democrats more "political leverage" than they would have if they could only use traditional civil rights subjects or less vocal partners in their deceptions.

[alrea]

Indeed, gay men who are attracted to women usually make much better husbands and fathers since they are usually softer, gentler, more domesticated and more nurturing than their heterosexual counterparts.

The Rabbi runs off the track here. Would a lesbian mother be more nurturing rabbi? I'd rather have a father role model without the stereotypical feminine traits.

[mupcat]

"The most important point about homosexuality is that it is a religious rather than a moral sin."...... "Homosexuality, by contrast, which involves consensual sex and no deception, is only a religious sin and not a moral one"

I'm sorry I'm confused. I thought sins against God were far more serious than sins against man. If this is so, then how on earth can he say homosexuality is ONLY a religious sin?

[nmh]

What a bunch of gobbledygook:

"The most important point about homosexuality is that it is a religious rather than a moral sin."

False

"The Bible clearly distinguishes between sins against God (religious) versus sins against man (moral), and neatly divides the Ten Commandments into two tablets reflecting that division. Sins like not worshipping idols and honoring the Sabbath are on the first tablet, while sins like refraining from theft and murder are on the second. Adultery is both a religious and a moral sin because it involves breaking the holy covenant of marriage, as well as deceiving one's spouse. In this sense, McGreevey's having cheated on his wife is a far more serious moral sin than having cheated with a man. Homosexuality, by contrast, which involves consensual sex and no deception, is only a religious sin and not a moral one. Therefore, those who label homosexuality as "immoral" would likewise have to argue that those who don't go to church are immoral, when in fact they are simply irreligious. "

Sin is sin. It is a SIN to have same sex and it defies God and His reasons for creating a male and a female to be attracted to one another. McGreedy having same sex is an ABOMINATION to God. It also is NOT true that this was "consentual sex". The guy McGreedy harassed could be suing him and there WAS GREAT DECEPTION going on. Homosexuality is IMMORAL as well as a sin. It is an IMMORAL SIN against God even though it is not listed in the Ten Commandments. Whether one goes to church or not is NOT the issue and to suggest your analogy is comparing apples to oranges.

WND is an ify source for credibility.

It is quite clear in the OLD testament, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach that homosexuality is an abomination to God.

Lev.18
[22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

God went out of His way to state that. Not all sins are listed in the Ten Commandments.

Adultery is also clearly listed as wrong.

I'm wondering if this Rabbi is gay. What he is trying to do is compartMENTALIZE homosexuality so that it is somehow acceptable when it never has been and never will be in God's eyes.

[wideawake]

Boteach doesn't help anything with his specious "distinction" of sodomy as a "religious" sin instead of a moral one.

Sodomy is a sin against morals. It damages the person committing it, it damages the person receiving it, it offends God, it offends human dignity and thereby is an insult and offense against all.

Boteach has let his Freudianism infiltrate his Judaism and the results are pretty disedifying.