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To: Aquinasfan

The founding fathers did indeed set things up for the congressman to choose the senators. That might have been a good idea then, today, I don't think so.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 11:26:55 AM PDT by Wiser now (A bitter, sour old woman is the crowning work of the devil.)
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To: Wiser now

The founding fathers set it up right. The 17th should be repealed.


13 posted on 08/13/2004 11:29:08 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Wiser now
That might have been a good idea then, today, I don't think so.

Why?

76 posted on 08/13/2004 12:03:16 PM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: Wiser now

What are you talking about? The popular election of senators has done nothing but create a second House of Representatives. The original system was designed to make one of the legislative houses immune to the whims of the general public.


79 posted on 08/13/2004 12:08:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Wiser now
Hey clueless, it was the state governments who chose the Senators, NOT Congressmen in the Constitution as written, and its still a great idea, states have now no representation in the fed gov and that why the fed gov has run roughshod over the states rights for the last 90 years...to the detriment of the citizens of the several states.. This are the foul deeds of the demigog woodrow wilson, along with the federal reserve and the income tax...
116 posted on 08/13/2004 12:51:47 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Wiser now; 4ConservativeJustices
The founding fathers did indeed set things up for the congressman to choose the senators. That might have been a good idea then, today, I don't think so.

I'm assuming you are referring to U.S. representatives when you say 'congressman' since senators are technically congressmen, also.

It was the state legislatures who chose senators (until the 17th Amendment was enacted), not U.S. representatives, since the Senate was designed to represent the interests of the states, which created the federal government and endowed it with certain limited, specifically-stated powers. The Tenth Amendment was added in order to insure that the states retained their powers and had the option of leaving if a tyrannical situation was created in the future.

121 posted on 08/13/2004 12:57:15 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: Wiser now
The founding fathers did indeed set things up for the congressman to choose the senators. That might have been a good idea then, today, I don't think so.

Congressmen never picked the Senators. Each States legislature decided who the Senators from their State would be.

This makes sense even today. The Federal Government would be represented by the individual people (The House of Representatives), the individual State Governments (The Senate), and the nation as a whole (The President).

The House was given the pursestrings, the Senate was the watchdog over the Executive branch, and the President had control over the nomination of judges.

Now the Senate no longer acts as a watchdog over the Executive branch, it acts as the Senior House of Representatives.

The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed to bring the checks and balances back in order.

123 posted on 08/13/2004 1:00:01 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Wiser now
I don't think so.


Perhaps you should look into the reasons the founding fathers had for doing it this way.

The House was to represent the citizens, the Senate was to represent the states.

We may still have gone down this road of Federalism even with states controlling the Senate, but I don't think so.

Now you have both the house and the Senate trying to buy votes with my tax dollars.

142 posted on 08/13/2004 3:23:16 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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