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CHARLEY BECOMES A (CATEGORY 4 Now!!) HURRICANE (18 ft. storm surge)
NHC ^ | 08-13-2004 | Forecaster Lawrence

Posted on 08/13/2004 10:08:09 AM PDT by Jeff400000

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To: Netizen

I know Sarasota County took it very seriously. Mandatory evacuation of the barrier islands yesteday. People were doing the usual stocking up; I've never seen so many stripped shelves at the grocery store. In my neighborhood, all the lawn stuff was put away.
I've had it with the media trying to point the finger of blame. Hurricanes are unpredictable. They issued warnings for the entire Gulf Coast of Florida. If people choose not to heed the warnings, what can be done?


2,481 posted on 08/13/2004 9:53:31 PM PDT by sunshine state
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To: Revel

Bush look-alike on Leno -- looks and sounds like him, making fun of him. Not that funny, IMO.


2,482 posted on 08/13/2004 9:53:42 PM PDT by CedarDave (Democrat motto: Say it today, forget it tomorrow.)
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To: sissyjane

Looks like it to me to, from the JAX radar.


2,483 posted on 08/13/2004 9:54:15 PM PDT by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: HipShot
If you'd listen with your ears instead of your mouth, you would know that there are people confirmed dead, and that they're anticipating a VERY bad day tomorrow.

Huh?

I JUST heard that there were TWO people confirmed dead. It is sad when anybody loses their life, but the fact is that is a very small loss of life for such a powerful storm. We should be thankful it wasn't worse.

There are people on this thread RIGHT NOW with loved ones they can't get in touch with in a massively damaged area. Show some maturity.

You show some maturity. I lived through hurricane Andrew which was the worst storm to hit Florida. I saw the devastation and was lucky enough to have a home to go back to. The entire beach was washed up onto A1A.

Please don't try to lecture me on respect for storms or tell me that there is something WRONG with going to the beach to collect shells after a storm. OK?

2,484 posted on 08/13/2004 9:54:22 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: nwctwx
The major problem is, it sounds like a lot of people down there did not evacuate. If the core of winds hit an area with a lot of people milling around... a lot of those people are no more.

OK enough, it is time to quit overspeculating and scaring people who have relatives down there. You have no more a clue than I or anyone else here what the real damage and casualties are, we just won't know much until morning. I saw the initial TV shots from Punta Gorda before night fell, and while there was some major damage, there were also plenty of intact structures visible when they were first showing their wide shots before they started staying with just the most dramatic damage shots. Also plenty of trees standing, which you did NOT see much of in the areas hardest hit in Andrew. Pretty much all the major damage reports heard from so far are along a relatively narrow line of where the eye moved up: barrier isles, Port Charlotte, Punta Gorda, Arcadia, Hardee Co., Lake Wales, Kissimmee.

2,485 posted on 08/13/2004 9:55:35 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Howlin
I remember that just as it was coming ashore this afternoon, you were discussing the fact that the barometer had fallen again.

The storm deepened just as fast as I have ever seen one deepen. I strongly believe it was actually a Cat 5 at landfall. I expect to hear some bad things in the morning about the regions most affected.

Every model is east tonight with the track of the storm. It looks like it will still make secondary landfall somewhere near or north of the NC/SC border.

From that point, it's a tough call.

I would imagine it might re-emerge off the coast of Virginia and could pose a threat to Long Island or Cape Cod. The NHC has the track staying inland and the storm up near CT by late tomorrow evening. BUT, Charley has been consistently east of the NHC track thus far which is why I believe it may end up affecting Long Island-Cape Cod before exiting out to sea.

2,486 posted on 08/13/2004 9:56:58 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: NautiNurse

VIPIR is not a computer model as the term is generally used.

It's just a fancy-schmancy cool-looking 3D way to display radar info. It's not predictive.

I really have no idea (since I didn't watch the station) how it got perceived by you or portrayed by the station as a forecast model.

And it doesn't belong to that station specfically. It's a subscription product used by stations all over the country. They're being deceptive if they describe it as such, but it would not surprise me.


2,487 posted on 08/13/2004 9:57:07 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Excellent find.


2,488 posted on 08/13/2004 9:57:23 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: NautiNurse

Do you have a link to that?


2,489 posted on 08/13/2004 9:57:59 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: NautiNurse
thanks for the link.

The crew said they encountered dead cows wrapped up in barbed wire and telephone poles snapped in two lying in the roadway.

His home destroyed, Paterson walked along Taylor Road with a dazed look and blood trickling from several head wounds. "Happy Friday the 13th," he said.

2,490 posted on 08/13/2004 9:58:33 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Howlin
I'm heading off to bed now

Not sure where this hurricane will go next .. just stay safe and I'll be saying prayers for y'all along the coast

I was watching my local news and they were saying Charlie should be up my by Sunday night .. not expecting to be hit hard, but they are concerned about flooding
2,491 posted on 08/13/2004 9:58:50 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: Jorge
"Please don't try to lecture me on respect for storms or tell me that there is something WRONG with going to the beach to collect shells after a storm. OK?"

While you are there digging through the remnants of peoples lives for shells, remember to wear a mask to protect you from the smell of the devastation. I wouldn't want you to get sick.
2,492 posted on 08/13/2004 9:58:53 PM PDT by HipShot (EOM couldn't cut the head off a beer with a chainsaw)
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To: Strategerist

One thing I've seen several stations do, as well, is use the MM5 forecast model and portray it as "our" model, which it isn't.

May have to find some archived MM5 tracks....


2,493 posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:28 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Diddle E. Squat

I'm trying not to speculate, and you are right in many regards. I am basing my belief off many statistics I have looked at today. 145mph sustained winds do a lot more damage than what I have seen on TV. No more speculation for now.


2,494 posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:30 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: Strategerist

I've heard a lot of discussion today about "the cone"........the NHC loves that thing.


2,495 posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:32 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: Howlin

Started with what?


2,496 posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:39 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: killjoy
I'm over in Calusa just north of the airport and had little damage.

House was built in 1979, by real contractors.

2,497 posted on 08/13/2004 10:00:30 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Strategerist

Thanks, that is informative.


2,498 posted on 08/13/2004 10:00:47 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: Strategerist

You are incredibly annoying.


2,499 posted on 08/13/2004 10:00:53 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I served in Viet Nam, and we have better hair"----John F'n Kerry campaign platform)
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To: nwctwx

What's YOUR opinion about the possible effect on coastal Georgia? (and should I take a nap now or later?)


2,500 posted on 08/13/2004 10:01:59 PM PDT by Amelia
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