Posted on 08/13/2004 5:24:43 AM PDT by Hatteras
Mom Sent To Jail For Smoking Around Kids
POSTED: 6:43 am EDT August 13, 2004
BOWLING GREEN, Va. -- A woman was sentenced Thursday to 10 days in jail for defying a court order not to smoke around her children.
Tamara Silvius was banned last year from smoking around the youths, now ages 8 and 10, as part of a custody arrangement with her ex-husband.
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I caught a troll with that line and outted them about 10 minutes ago.
And you have no idea what you're talking about -- as I just said.
I am no troll (as this was covered a couple of days ago).
#1. You didn't read the entire thread. This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. I am a STAUNCH conservative who is in favor of anti-smoking laws because they protect the rights of the many (just like most of our laws) against the whims of the few.
#2. Time on system has NO bearing to being a troll. Just because someone posts something YOU think is not conserative does not make it so.
And take a moment to read the rest of my posts. I'm more conservative than you are. As for not including any information in my reply TO YOU, it was because it had all been covered early in the day. READ before you REPLY.
It is not only possible, but quite common. All it takes is a mature attitude and enough self esteem not to need to lecture others to feel worthwhile.
What you are experiencing is not ex-smokers, but only ex-smokers who are tiny people and controlling twits. If it were not complaining about smoking, it would be about something else which is trendy at the time.
You are probably surrounded by well-adjusted non-neurotic smokers, there's just no way to tell.
This is a good thing. Otherwise me and my plastic cigarette would not have as much fun getting them frothing at the mouth.
: )
Sorry, but
"You don't know what you are talking about."
gave you away.
It was then that I checked the born on date.
No conservative will tell you that an increase in the laws we must abide by has a proportional affect on personal freedom. The two are inversely proportional, and that's a core conservative principal.
Good example: The Everett, WA city council just yesterday banned the use of scooters in Everett. This also included electric scooters.
Fine. On Wednesday, my grandfather could take his electric scooter down to the corner to get a bagel, and now he can't. A law was made, the law dealt with the 'nuisance' of kids on noisy gas powered scooters, electric scooters get thrown in, and now old people can't shop down town.
How does the passing of that law increase personal freedom for any one involved - save those that couldn't deal with the noise they made?
This is an argument. If one day my dad can quietly enjoy the use of his scooter to get a bagel on Wednesday, but can't on Friday, how is this an INCREASE in personal freedom. Has his pursuit of happiness been impeded?
"You don't know what you are talking about" isn't supported by anything factual, logical, etc. It's not even nice.
If you believe I don't know what I'm talking about, prove it.
I've read enough posts to realize you are a liberal, even if you don't believe it.
I don't know - don't zot him and see if he learns anything by being here.
Good work you two.
I wish I had time for this thread today.
I am telling yall,
the likes of the smoking nazis
are almost enough to make me
take up smoking again.
Why attack the tobacco industry? The industry overwhelmingly supports pro-American and pro-Christian politicians. Their products are domestic. And the employees of those companies are mainly hardworking southern Christians.
This is a Judge throwing someone in jail for contempt of court. This had nothing to do with that agreement. If it had been solely about the agreement, she wouldn't be in jail.
I'm a cigar smoker. I have a vested interest, as it were. I think Xenalyte might enjoy a nice cigar, if she had the mind to try one.
It's that warrior spirit, doncha know. Victory cigar and all.
Some Freepers who smoke (mostly men I think), walk around stores, etc, with an unlit cigarette in their mouth or hand. Drives people crazy. heh!
I've proven my pedigree as a conservative so that is not in question by anyone with an ounce of common sense.
No conservative will tell you that an increase in the laws we must abide by has a proportional affect on personal freedom. The two are inversely proportional, and that's a core conservative principal.
Show me where I've once said that this would increase personal freedom. Don't waste any more time. I didn't. I have clearly presented where anti-smoking positions ARE conservative in that they recognize the need for some laws to protect the safety of the many.
People like you and Rush who try to claim this is only a liberal position are the ones causing the problem.
I love these litmus tests you and a few others have that convince ONLY YOU that someone is a "troll" and they keep being proved false.
When I said "You don't know what you are talking about" I meant it and it still stands as a perfectly valid REPLY to your prior comment. You didn't read the entire thread. You didn't read my other posts on this site.
Whether a twink such as yourself is convinced I'm a conservative is irrelevant. You're the type not to be confused by facts. As I've said -- I'm proven here. Everyone has a first day -- I just see no need to wait idle for several weeks before becoming a valuable member of this site. I've been embraced by many here already who ARE conservatives like myself. Your opinion matters not.
I think it's called being honest with yourself and having sympathy for the other guy. Quitting was TOUGH. I relapsed once for about six months. The smell drives me nuts. Quitters who deny that it isn't tough aren't being honest or helpful. Only arrogant.
Thank you, by the way, for the complement.
That's just it, conservatives don't necessarily believe that laws protect people. Conservatives also don't believe that laws are needed to protect people.
Conservatives believe that personal responsibility is the core of democracy. We are personally responsible for our choices. It may be true that Nixon founded the EPA, but many here on this forum don't believe he was a better conservative for it.
As far as wasting your time, you will have to learn that you can't win an argument by dismissing someone with an insult and move on. It doesn't work here. 'Twink' is for another forum.
Again, we aren't here to call people names. People who are responsible are the best protectors of themselves. For those who would commit crimes, we need laws to ensure they are punished.
Enron, however, has lead to Sarbanes Oxley, which in my opinion is going to put companies at a massive competitive disadvantage going forward, without necessarily making companies more honest about their accounting. That's what happens when something like an Enron happens - bad laws get written and people STILL get hurt.
Campaign Finance Reform is the CLASSIC example of protecting people gone horribly awry. Is the election process any more honest as a result? Is it easier for a challenger to beat an incumbent? Is it even constitutional? Barely, I guess.
Should we protect people from gun shot wounds by repealing the second amendment? Protect people from terrorists by repealing the 5th and 6th amendments?
Any more laws you want to pass in the name of protecting people? Any laws you want to pass, 'for the kids'?
I'll bet you think cops protect people too. They don't. The fact that they gather evidence and arrest suspects, and that the DA convicts those people - to that extent that they provide a deterrent is as far as their protection extends.
The fact that I have a gun in my house, that that I can blow a giant hole in a home invader is what really affords me those protections.
Limited government was the idea the founding fathers used to start the country. Laws protecting people FROM GOVERNMENT INTRUSION, not from each other.
I may be wasting my time on you, but I think I've piled up enough empirical evidence for anyone still interested in the thread or anyone moderating it that you are a troll.
Twink. What is that?
My grandpa would have snowball fights in the piles of asbestos they would have at the refinery. It was used to make pipe linings.
He lived until he was 96, but all of his smoking friends died in their 50's. Same deal.
You're very funny.
Have a great weekend and come back here with a better, more respectful attitude. Not sure what got in your corn flakes this morning, but your troll paranoia is no longer amusing.
Us real pro-Bush, anti-Kerry conservative FReepers will still be here if you want to keep playing with us.
P.S. You weak gun control argument was rebutted already in this thread. If you read it, you'd know it.
I never said you were going to hell if you smoked, you are one who said you did not want anything to do with being on your knees, well to me that meant prayer isn't something you believe in. Your criticism made me think you were an unbeliever.
Smoking had nothing to do with that statement, you sure jump to a lot of conclusions. I would never have made that assumption from what was written, how absurd.
No Moses was denied entrance to the promise land because of his anger and "disobedience".
Scripture reference Numbers 27:14
"for when the community rebelled at the waters in the Desert of Zin, both of you DISOBEYED my command to honor me as holy before their eyes" (These were the waters of Meribah kadesh, in the Desert of Zin)" NIV
Feel free to research that a little better.
God and his word are holy, and we had better honor it too.
I am not arrogant, it is arrogance to disobey the court and judge in this case. The courts and some judges may be wrong in certain instances, but that does not give anyone right to disobey a court order that is within realm of God's word.
It says in God's word "study to show yourself approved unto God, a workmen that needs not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth."
I choose to obey God's word in all instances...that's consistent.
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