Posted on 08/09/2004 5:28:52 PM PDT by RWR8189
CHICAGO (CBS 2) Illinois' senate race is heating up with both Democrat Barack Obama and new Republican candidate Alan Keyes in town pressing the flesh and warming up to voters.
The Republican candidate in this race may just be getting started, but according to an exclusive new CBS 2/Newsradio 780 poll, Keyes has a long way to go. 67 percent of Illinois voters prefer Democrat Obama; 28 percent would choose Keyes.
Keyes and his supporters were feeling the heat of the August sun as he announced for U.S. Senate at a crowded rally in Arlington Heights. Our exclusive voter opinion survey shows Obama generating another kind of heat.
Obama's lead in our CBS 2/Newsradio 780 Survey was most pronounced among women voters, 74 percent to 21percent for Keyes. Among men, it was 59 percent to 36 percent.
There was no surprise in strongly Democratic Chicago: 79 percent for Obama, 16 percent for Keyes.
But in the heavily Republican collar counties, it was Obama with 62 percent, Keyes with 34 percent. . Even downstate, 56 percent of those polled preferred Obama to 38 percent for Keyes. The results were almost the same in rural areas: 57 percent to 39 percent.
Virtually every Democrat we talked to favored Obama. Among independent voters, 64 percent chose Obama, 30 percent chose Keyes. Even among Republicans, 27 percent defected to Obama, 67 percent chose Keyes.
White voters went 62 percent to 32 percent for Obama; black voters by a margin of 89 percent to 10 percent.
The poll was conducted by Survey USA this past Friday and Saturday. It is accurate to within plus or minus four percentage points.
Maybe it's time to toss out elections altogether, let CBS poll people and they just take office that way. It could save a lot of money and time. We'll ask CBS whose going to be president -- Bush or Kerry, CBS can pick the Senators and Congressmen also.
A defeatist is not just somebody who believes he's going to lose, a defeatist is somebody who because he believes he's going to lose, concludes he should bother fighting at all.
You think the Spartans at Thermopylae thought the 300 of them had any chance of defeating the half million Persians? But what would have happened to Western Civilization had they laid down their spears and not fought.
Thank you.
I knew you'd know.
I wish Keyes the best.
I'd love to see him win.
We don't have to go to extremes. But when polls show a candidate losing to his opponent 28% to 67% pretending he has a chance is rather foolish.
Then according to your definition I am not really the "defeatist" I've been accused of being.
I never said Keyes should drop out. In fact I think he will make the debates interesting. I just don't believe he will win in Nov.
Then what is the point of you keep bringing up that he will lose
Is it to prove that you have some special insight in predicting election outcomes? Because believe me, you don't. Everyone in this thread is as aware of the fact that the deck is against Keyes are you are. The rest of us simply refuse to wallow in it, and instead would rather focus our efforts on helping him fight the good fight.
You may make whatever claims you like as to polling data, suggesting the iron moral law of whatever 50% plus 1 may prefer (if we believe you, if we believe it was polling information, if we believe the pollster, if we believe the sample is representative, etc.).
Nonetheless, the Republican Party has an actual pro-life platform, not a speculated one, and there are practical political reasons as well as principled reasons for that pro-life platform. Muffy and Skipper may squirm but that's a fact and will continue to be so long as the GOP wishes to be viable.
So you are a middle-of-the-road advocate of the slaughter of 45 million unborn babies and counting? Tres chic! How very moderate you must be! I think I recognize what is on the other side of the road as being on the other side of the road. What is in the middle of the road is formerly equivocating road kill.
Just how do "middle of the road" California progressives view homosexual "marriage"? Will they change what passes for their minds next year? Why should the GOP conform to abortion or gay "marriage"?
As to my "peremptory tone," the fact that you imagine that you have a reasonable position on abortion, does not mean that you do, as is evident.
You actually believe that? If the polls (especially a media poll) shows a Republican losing by a certain amount, the election should be called off or the Republican should pull out? A poll that also did not say what people were polled or what questions were asked or released the day after a candicy is announced is not reliable -- even if the is a large gap.
We've had a few nice chats--but I'm not sure I understand "middle"...
Seems to me that the baby is either dead or alive. In techie chat, that's 0 or 1. In chess chat, it's black or white.
Dead/alive. Black/white. 0/1. On/0ff.
Hmmmmm. So where's the middle?
HEY!!! Do the Math!!
Keyes goes from 0 to 28% in 4 days. That means that by November 1st, he will be at about 565%, which is perfectly in accord with Democrat voting patterns in Chicago.
Keyes wins.
Cyborg, no kidding. Keyes played into this so quick that his underwear probably is backwards.
He'll be fine, just needs money and time. You are right on!! :o)
If nothing else, his mere presence is causing the rats to scatter *LOL* DEE-LITEFUL to watch!
A mere flesh wound...
No I don't. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough.
Makes sense to me :)
I too appreciate the civil tone of our conversations. That is all I ask of any poster unless they exude hatred in general.
Keyes is the best thing since sliced bread. Good thing Ryan dropped out. He gets my vote by FAR. Obama ought to join the Communist party vs. Keyes who is ought to join the Libertarian party.
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