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Jim Warner, a prisoner of the North Vietnamese in the Hoa Lo prison complex -- known to U.S. servicemen as the Hanoi Hilton -- remembers Kerry. He became acquainted with him, he said, when a North Vietnamese guard and interrogator the prisoners nicknamed "Boris" took Warner to the quiz shack in the complex's punishment camp called "Skid Row" in May 1971. During a four-hour propaganda and harassment session, Boris pulled papers from his pocket and gave them to Warner to think about, he said. Some were clippings from a leftist newspaper in the United States. The other was a typewritten transcript of Kerry's testimony before a U.S. Senate panel in which he repeated allegations of U.S. troops routinely committing atrocities, attacking the war and saying communism was not a threat in Vietnam.

Let's see former POW McCain's comments on this.

1 posted on 08/09/2004 2:06:49 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
If John McCain personally wants to forgive John Kerry and let bygones be bygones, then that is his prerogative. For him to condemn others who have not done so---when Kerry has done nothing of a repentant nature to earn their forgiveness---is appalling.
2 posted on 08/09/2004 2:11:13 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Liz

Kerry opened this can of worms and now he is going to have to eat his fill.


3 posted on 08/09/2004 2:11:27 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner

The above quote was from a press conference given at the National Press Club in Washington on May 4, 2004. You may view Steven’s comments at the following web site. Just scroll down to Steven’s picture and click on it.

http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes

Searching through that web site, you will find 250 men who served on Swift boats, including the entire chain of command above Lt. Kerry, agree with Steven Gardner that Kerry is not fit to be Commander-in-Chief. That compares to the 13 crew members who support his candidacy.


4 posted on 08/09/2004 2:11:55 PM PDT by LOC1
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No wonder so many of these Vets hate Kerry...he was in part responsible for some of the horrific pain they suffered.

The public DOES NOT KNOW about the Vietnam/Watergate era. I hope the Switfvets can contribute to an educational period in which many who are ignorant of what really went on can learn.

Above all....how could a man responsible for Veterans' torture be considered for President? Horrific.

5 posted on 08/09/2004 2:12:04 PM PDT by what's up
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John McCain needs to stop worrying about what the media and democrats will think about him and STAND UP and be counted as a warrior for the truth.

McCain's disdain for Kerry is widely known, but he hasn't
publically stated it for a good many years.


7 posted on 08/09/2004 2:15:37 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: Liz

McCain will have nothing to say, he understands that what he said, what Fonda said, what MacNamera said, what other prisnors said, basically it didn't take much to instigate a beating.
Inflating a Kerry sized head could be hazardous, McCain won't say anything.

TT


8 posted on 08/09/2004 2:16:10 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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Now this would be the death blow to the Kerry campaign-an ad by former POW's who said that they were made to listen to this Kerry propoganda while being held captive.


9 posted on 08/09/2004 2:22:27 PM PDT by MattinNJ (It will be a Dubya landslide. Hillary will see to it.)
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To: Liz; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; ...

10 posted on 08/09/2004 2:28:22 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It only takes one idiot to raze a village.)
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Liz, shouldn't your link have been Insight Mag?
11 posted on 08/09/2004 2:29:30 PM PDT by pt17
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From Article: The second quote from the same New Yorker article the Kerry campaign wanted cited was from Kerry in the same interview: "'We started talking about the war, and Vietnam, prison -- what happened to him and all that. ... Nothing had brought us together before, and we just talked. We talked about what I had done.' Kerry was referring to the episode that McCain had denounced in the 1984 campaign. 'But by now it wasn't a big hurdle,' he went on. 'To his credit, he didn't make it one. He made it clear that he had moved beyond all that. ... The war was a tough period for a lot of people, for a lot of reasons. Both of us decided to put all that kind of stuff behind us, and work together at something.'"

Only problem is Kerry didn't leave his stuff behind him. He decided to glorify it.

15 posted on 08/09/2004 2:40:47 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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It had to happen. Sooner or later this nation had to deal with the treatment of our Viet Nam Troops. Face to face.

Kerry was counting on the short attention span of the American Public and the voters under 45 who cannot grasp the hatred hanging in the air.

It does not take a rocket scientist to know the Viet Nam Vets do not have such a short attention span. They may have come home, tried to put it behind them and got on with their lives, but they never, ever forgot. It is not hatred. It is not dirty political trickery or "shadowy 527 groups."

It is a group of Viet Nam Veterans who have decided to endure anything and everything the left (and even some on the right) decides hurl at them to stand up for their beliefs and to do what is right.

Lawyers and character asassinations are the modern subsitutes for spit and blood. The difference is that now the vets are home to fight, not still on the battlefields or in the prison camps.

Nothing, nothing has changed in regard to John Kerry's treatment of Viet Nam Veterans.


17 posted on 08/09/2004 2:42:19 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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Every time I see Kerry on TV (I know it's very un-Pennsylvanian of me), I say for, many good reasons, "It's on b*tch!!" Then I promptly change the channel to something that doesn't make me want to kick in my tv.


19 posted on 08/09/2004 2:43:01 PM PDT by PurpleHeartHaze
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"It didn't make us want to give up, it just made us feel discouraged that there were people who felt that way about us," said Warner,

These were the strong ones. There were some who didn't make it.

Going to campaign against John Kerry is something I wouldn't consider.

I will never understand McCain's attitude.

20 posted on 08/09/2004 2:45:53 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind ("I will never relent in bringing justice to our enemies..." - President Bush)
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I'm so happy that these vets finally get the chance to say their peace. They've been denied this opportunity for far too long, and it's the "Kerry's and the Fonda's" who are now going to see what it feels like to be on the recieving end.


24 posted on 08/09/2004 2:49:06 PM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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...I used to believe Kerry was given a fast track lateral promotion out of the unit,so they could be rid of him.I guess no one then believed he could actually speak out against them the way he did, or become a senator-much less run for the office of president.Since they knew Kerry it would prolly seem ridiculous to think he would amount to anything.

Military units often peg screw off artists and %*ck-Ups with duties that will minimize risk to others.I had just assumed the commanders had gotten together one night and pinned a purple heart on his sorry ass wound as a way to get rid of him,and sent him packing.


The Bush Administration has once again been wise by keeping its fingerprints off this one.They were mum during the "Moore Offensive"and can with credibility remain silent now,all the while munching the canary,hehehe... The Voices of these men ,these Veterans,are heard much clearer and more loudly because they have been the ones who initiated this action. No Media stone wall will hold this back for long.....

26 posted on 08/09/2004 2:53:36 PM PDT by Grendelgrey (....nay, we are but men..........Rock!)
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The only thing that ticks me...
that these allegations didn't send The Good Ship Kerry to the bottom of Boston Harbor
when he first ran for the House of Representatives.
(If "the press" can get the records of Ryan in Illinois unsealed, the should
be able to find out if Kerry has been bribing his "Band of Brothers" to appear with him
for decades! Get to work, Fifth Estate!)


28 posted on 08/09/2004 2:56:34 PM PDT by VOA
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Let's see former POW McCain's comments on this.

I noticed a subtle shot across McCain's bow...

Methinks McCain won't respond favorably to something like this. But I could be wrong.
29 posted on 08/09/2004 2:57:34 PM PDT by !1776!
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I heard Lt. Col. Tom Collins say the same thing on Greg Garrison's radio show last week. Kerry is so deplorable. A traitor for sure. He must never be CIC.


32 posted on 08/09/2004 3:02:46 PM PDT by raisincane (Kerry even flip flopped his convention bounce.)
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American servicemen (and women) are STILL tortured by Kerry's words today.

Heck, I can't listen to Kerry's droning pedantic supercilious verbal diarrhea for two seconds before changing the station.

39 posted on 08/09/2004 3:23:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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I think the Dummycraps won't understand what they're doing wrong for at least 2 or 3 more elections.

First they just get by getting a lying draft dodger elected...A POLISHED Liar.

Now they've nominated a MALINGERING MALCONTENT who they've branded a "Hero" (by whose definition, I can't find). He's just a BAAAAD Liar.

When they come back to Earth and get with the Webster's Dictionary we all grew up with, maybe they'll have a chance again.

47 posted on 08/09/2004 3:58:00 PM PDT by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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